Analisis, And Then Some!

offiss · 10-11-2004, 03:16 AM

I said it when we traded for Portis, and I said it when we traded for Brunell, Portis IS A SYSTEM BACK! he is incapable of breaking a tackle, we paid 50 mil. for a change of pace type 3rd down back, and that is why Denver wasen't about to give him a pay raise, he will go no further than where contact is made, then he's dropped dead in his track's. I am not just rating his running based on production, I am basing it on how he run's, you can see he's nothing special, we already had a nothing special kind of back with speed in Trung.

There is a reason Coughlin wanted to trade Brunell when he was coach of the Jag's, he fought with managment to try and do so, but they wouldn't let him, Brunell was a playmaker, not a thrower, a lot like Vick, I ask you, take away Vick's speed, and mobility, and who would want him? Well, Brunell can't move any more, and every throw he makes he's falling backward's, end of story. Ramsey is the perfect QB for Gibb's, if he just give him a chance, but Gibb's is in love with stat's since he's come back, I believe he think's he's coaching fantasy football, we have almost 100 mil. invested in 2 player's, when we already had better on our own team, and defiently would have had better with the pick's we would have obtained from Champ, and Brunell.

Ray Charles lives, as our booth official!

Chad Morton is another guy who fall's down if somebody's shadow get's to close! Defiently another bad signing.

I have been backing Bett's probably more than anybody here, but after that play with Reed, I would have cut him on the spot, not only does he not even attempt to throw a real block, after Reed run's by him, he stand's there watching him get ready to blindside Brunell, knowing that there could be a possible fumble, then when he actually start's for the ball, he takes a ridiculous angle, and with all that he still had a chance to tackle him and he blow's it.

On second thought I wouldn't cut him, I would have him tarred, and feathered!

Defense was tremendous, other than Marshall losing containment on 3rd and 3 late in the game, and letting Lewis get to the outside, [I still have no clue what he was doing on that one], no complaint's. they gave up 3 point's all night, considering they were on the field all night, outstanding!

Offensive line, lousy, can't run block, regardless of how average I think Portis is, the worst back in the league should be able to run the ball better than we do.

Their pass blocking wasen't bad, Brunell had some time, he just act's like he's under pressure.

Gibb's? If he's going to turn this thing around, he better start cracking the whip, and it start's with his hiring of Ray Charles, there is no need to see any more from this guy, he's as incompetent a replay official as can be!

illdefined · 10-11-2004, 03:25 AM

Portis just isnt a straight ahead 230lb back which is how he's been played, and without a fullyknit Oline to boot, AND vs. 8men cuz of no air game. get him a decent fullback/leadblocker and some designed plays for his speed (a tight passing game is too much to wish for right now) and you will all eat your words.

offiss · 10-11-2004, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

Portis just isnt a straight ahead 230lb back which is how he's been played, and without a fullyknit Oline to boot, AND vs. 8men cuz of no air game. get him a decent fullback/leadblocker and some designed plays for his speed (a tight passing game is too much to wish for right now) and you will all eat your words.

No I wont, because I have been saying that all along, the problem is I don't see us changing our entire offense for him, which mean's he is not a conventional back, we do have some of the best lead blocker's on our team, there called TE's, and H-back's, personally I believe the biggest problem with Portis is Brunell's inability to pass, no one respect's it, if they did, Portis would be much more effective on quick draw's, and screen's, that would keep the D from loading up, but don't kid yourself now, Portis IS NOT A SPECIAL BACK, PERIOD! Can he play better than he has? Yes, but so could a lot of other back's.

illdefined · 10-11-2004, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

No I wont, because I have been saying that all along, the problem is I don't see us changing our entire offense for him, which mean's he is not a conventional back, we do have some of the best lead blocker's on our team, there called TE's, and H-back's, personally I believe the biggest problem with Portis is Brunell's inability to pass, no one respect's it, if they did, Portis would be much more effective on quick draw's, and screen's, that would keep the D from loading up, but don't kid yourself now, Portis IS NOT A SPECIAL BACK, PERIOD! Can he play better than he has? Yes, but so could a lot of other back's.

like i said in another thread, i already see Gibbs changing the offense more for him by seeing Cooley line up as a lead fullback in I Formation this game. Cooley is a catching TE, and this is all new to him too, but i definitely noticed this new wrinkle to the offense. while it didn't net many yards against an 8men Raven defense who wasnt worried about our passing game, it DID stop the fumbling at point of impact...

offiss · 10-11-2004, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

like i said in another thread, i already see Gibbs changing the offense more for him by seeing Cooley line up as a lead fullback in I Formation this game. Cooley is a catching TE, and this is all new to him too, but i definitely noticed this new wrinkle to the offense. while it didn't net many yards against an 8men Raven defense who wasnt worried about our passing game, it DID stop the fumbling at point of impact...

That is really nothing new for Gibb's, we used to do it all the time, the TE [usually warren] was leading a block, but it came from different places, not just the backfield, many times the TE goes in motion, then hit's the hole,

I couldn't be more impressed with Cooley, although he was a great recieving H-back in college, he also had a rep as a tremendous blocker, he won some kind of award for it, I believe we have a real find on our hand's, that kid is tough.

SmootSmack · 10-11-2004, 03:28 AM

Damn offiss, Ray Charles would be rolling over in his grave if he heard you comparing him to that replay official we've got.

Show Ray some respect, the man's a legend!

offiss · 10-11-2004, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

Damn offiss, Ray Charles would be rolling over in his grave if he heard you comparing him to that replay official we've got.

Show Ray some respect, the man's a legend!

Sorry SS, I now want to take a second to send out my most humble apology to the Charles family, I in no way had any ill intention's by comparing our official, to MR.Charles, I didn't take into account how humiliating it must be, to be compared to our replay official, there is no doubt in my mind, that if Ray was still with us, he could have ran his hand's over the TV screen, and made a better assesment, again, I hope the Charles family accept's my humble apology.

SmootSmack · 10-11-2004, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Sorry SS, I now want to take a second to send out my most humble apology to the Charles family, I in no way had any ill intention's by comparing our official, to MR.Charles, I didn't take into account how humiliating it must be, to be compared to our replay official, there is no doubt in my mind, that if Ray was still with us, he could have ran his hand's over the TV screen, and made a better assesment, again, I hope the Charles family accept's my humble apology.

Luxorreb · 10-11-2004, 04:17 AM

I do think it's time for Ramsey. Ramsey actually gives us a threat to go down the field. Anything Brunell throws over 10 yds looks like a hail mary heave. That INT to Deion in double coverage was a prayer. Ramsey has a cannon and I don't think he'll consistantly make mistakes like he did against the Giants. I'd rather turn the ball over deep in opposing territory spreading the field than constantly go 3 and out losing the field position battle the entire time. Spread the field and teams won't have 8 guys in the box on every play.

offiss · 10-11-2004, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Luxorreb

I do think it's time for Ramsey. Ramsey actually gives us a threat to go down the field. Anything Brunell throws over 10 yds looks like a hail mary heave. That INT to Deion in double coverage was a prayer. Ramsey has a cannon and I don't think he'll consistantly make mistakes like he did against the Giants. I'd rather turn the ball over deep in opposing territory spreading the field than constantly go 3 and out losing the field position battle the entire time. Spread the field and teams won't have 8 guys in the box on every play.

I was going to put that in another thread about the 3 and out's, compared to a Ramsey turnover, you nailed it lux baby. Now will Gibb's and co. swallow their pride and admit I was right from the very beggining, Ramsey is better now, and will be 10 times the QB Brunell is. I will be waiting for a letter of apology! :headbange

That Guy · 10-11-2004, 06:28 AM

i completely disagree on portis... the blocking just hasn't been there... he can get yards super quick though. he is far from average... betts is average.

joecrisp · 10-11-2004, 07:32 AM

As much as I've been disappointed by Portis's performance thus far, I tend to agree more with illdefined's assessment of the running game.

The problem isn't Portis so much as it is the run blocking schemes and the failure to execute them properly. While it's true that the Redskins have a couple of decent blockers in TEs Rasby and Cooley, they have rarely been used as lead blockers. They're generally playing in-line, which means they aren't actually leading Portis into the hole. The problem with that is the O-line has done a poor job of moving off of double teams and hitting the linebackers. When they do get to the linebackers, they do a poor job of sustaining their blocks. Since there's no fullback on most of the plays, there's no lead blocker to take on the linebackers, nor to create a misdirection to freeze the linebackers. Portis is forced to deal with the linebackers entirely on his own in a lot of cases, and there are very few runningbacks that are capable of doing that successfully. Any great running attack is based on the blockers getting to the second level, and it's just not happening with any consistency for the Redskins. The blockers are too slow and aren't throwing the devastating blocks you see from great O-lines.

As far as Brunell goes, he is the primary reason defenses have been keeping 8 and 9 men in the box to keep Portis in check. He's unwilling and unable to throw the deep ball, and is far too quick to throw the ball away, even when the pressure from the pass rush isn't really there. I think Ramsey would do a far better job of getting the ball to the receivers, and is far more capable of stretching the field with his arm. Yes, there is greater risk with Ramsey in there-- he will probably throw more INTs than Brunell- but he'll also throw a lot more TDs, too. Ramsey simply does a better job of moving the offense down the field. This offense needs a spark, and Ramsey is capable of providing it. Brunell is simply no longer a threat. In order to make a defense back away from the line of scrimmage, you have to make them fear the deep ball. Brunell can't do that. Ramsey can.

And yes, the replay challenges have been horrible. I can't believe they're paying someone to make boneheaded decisions like that.

Daseal · 10-11-2004, 08:39 AM

Morton has 8 guys on top of him by the time the ball gets there. I prefer a faircatch to a fumble! He also made a great play when he got us out to the 40 with the stretch -n- catch.

celts32 · 10-11-2004, 11:52 AM

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Morton has 8 guys on top of him by the time the ball gets there. I prefer a faircatch to a fumble! He also made a great play when he got us out to the 40 with the stretch -n- catch.

Unfortunately Chad's head's up play yesterday was the best thing he has done in a Redskins uniform. A complete waste of money.

That Guy · 10-11-2004, 08:56 AM

that was a real heaeds up play... i never even knew about that rule. chad tupa and hall are the best parts of special teams... danny smith and the blocking is crappy... coverage has been up and down...

10-11-2004, 03:16 AM	#1
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Analisis, And Then Some! I said it when we traded for Portis, and I said it when we traded for Brunell, Portis IS A SYSTEM BACK! he is incapable of breaking a tackle, we paid 50 mil. for a change of pace type 3rd down back, and that is why Denver wasen't about to give him a pay raise, he will go no further than where contact is made, then he's dropped dead in his track's. I am not just rating his running based on production, I am basing it on how he run's, you can see he's nothing special, we already had a nothing special kind of back with speed in Trung. There is a reason Coughlin wanted to trade Brunell when he was coach of the Jag's, he fought with managment to try and do so, but they wouldn't let him, Brunell was a playmaker, not a thrower, a lot like Vick, I ask you, take away Vick's speed, and mobility, and who would want him? Well, Brunell can't move any more, and every throw he makes he's falling backward's, end of story. Ramsey is the perfect QB for Gibb's, if he just give him a chance, but Gibb's is in love with stat's since he's come back, I believe he think's he's coaching fantasy football, we have almost 100 mil. invested in 2 player's, when we already had better on our own team, and defiently would have had better with the pick's we would have obtained from Champ, and Brunell. Ray Charles lives, as our booth official! Chad Morton is another guy who fall's down if somebody's shadow get's to close! Defiently another bad signing. I have been backing Bett's probably more than anybody here, but after that play with Reed, I would have cut him on the spot, not only does he not even attempt to throw a real block, after Reed run's by him, he stand's there watching him get ready to blindside Brunell, knowing that there could be a possible fumble, then when he actually start's for the ball, he takes a ridiculous angle, and with all that he still had a chance to tackle him and he blow's it. On second thought I wouldn't cut him, I would have him tarred, and feathered! Defense was tremendous, other than Marshall losing containment on 3rd and 3 late in the game, and letting Lewis get to the outside, [I still have no clue what he was doing on that one], no complaint's. they gave up 3 point's all night, considering they were on the field all night, outstanding! Offensive line, lousy, can't run block, regardless of how average I think Portis is, the worst back in the league should be able to run the ball better than we do. Their pass blocking wasen't bad, Brunell had some time, he just act's like he's under pressure. Gibb's? If he's going to turn this thing around, he better start cracking the whip, and it start's with his hiring of Ray Charles, there is no need to see any more from this guy, he's as incompetent a replay official as can be!

10-11-2004, 03:28 AM	#6
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Damn offiss, Ray Charles would be rolling over in his grave if he heard you comparing him to that replay official we've got. Show Ray some respect, the man's a legend! __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-11-2004, 04:17 AM	#9
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	I do think it's time for Ramsey. Ramsey actually gives us a threat to go down the field. Anything Brunell throws over 10 yds looks like a hail mary heave. That INT to Deion in double coverage was a prayer. Ramsey has a cannon and I don't think he'll consistantly make mistakes like he did against the Giants. I'd rather turn the ball over deep in opposing territory spreading the field than constantly go 3 and out losing the field position battle the entire time. Spread the field and teams won't have 8 guys in the box on every play. __________________ ^21^

10-11-2004, 03:25 AM	#2
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Portis just isnt a straight ahead 230lb back which is how he's been played, and without a fullyknit Oline to boot, AND vs. 8men cuz of no air game. get him a decent fullback/leadblocker and some designed plays for his speed (a tight passing game is too much to wish for right now) and you will all eat your words.

10-11-2004, 06:28 AM	#11
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i completely disagree on portis... the blocking just hasn't been there... he can get yards super quick though. he is far from average... betts is average.

10-11-2004, 07:32 AM	#12
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	As much as I've been disappointed by Portis's performance thus far, I tend to agree more with illdefined's assessment of the running game. The problem isn't Portis so much as it is the run blocking schemes and the failure to execute them properly. While it's true that the Redskins have a couple of decent blockers in TEs Rasby and Cooley, they have rarely been used as lead blockers. They're generally playing in-line, which means they aren't actually leading Portis into the hole. The problem with that is the O-line has done a poor job of moving off of double teams and hitting the linebackers. When they do get to the linebackers, they do a poor job of sustaining their blocks. Since there's no fullback on most of the plays, there's no lead blocker to take on the linebackers, nor to create a misdirection to freeze the linebackers. Portis is forced to deal with the linebackers entirely on his own in a lot of cases, and there are very few runningbacks that are capable of doing that successfully. Any great running attack is based on the blockers getting to the second level, and it's just not happening with any consistency for the Redskins. The blockers are too slow and aren't throwing the devastating blocks you see from great O-lines. As far as Brunell goes, he is the primary reason defenses have been keeping 8 and 9 men in the box to keep Portis in check. He's unwilling and unable to throw the deep ball, and is far too quick to throw the ball away, even when the pressure from the pass rush isn't really there. I think Ramsey would do a far better job of getting the ball to the receivers, and is far more capable of stretching the field with his arm. Yes, there is greater risk with Ramsey in there-- he will probably throw more INTs than Brunell- but he'll also throw a lot more TDs, too. Ramsey simply does a better job of moving the offense down the field. This offense needs a spark, and Ramsey is capable of providing it. Brunell is simply no longer a threat. In order to make a defense back away from the line of scrimmage, you have to make them fear the deep ball. Brunell can't do that. Ramsey can. And yes, the replay challenges have been horrible. I can't believe they're paying someone to make boneheaded decisions like that.

10-11-2004, 08:39 AM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Morton has 8 guys on top of him by the time the ball gets there. I prefer a faircatch to a fumble! He also made a great play when he got us out to the 40 with the stretch -n- catch.

10-11-2004, 08:56 AM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	that was a real heaeds up play... i never even knew about that rule. chad tupa and hall are the best parts of special teams... danny smith and the blocking is crappy... coverage has been up and down...

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