Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New

GTripp0012 · 10-07-2009, 10:55 PM

Short one this week: they didn't do much wrong.

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Why does Justin Tryon make a difference? Should he? Will it matter once we play a team with more than 2 NFL competent wide receivers?

I'll try not to bite off anymore than I can chew. Tryon may not yet even be an adequate nickelback in the NFL yet. But when he gets to play, the Redskins at least give the illusion that they have a deep, talented secondary built almost entirely through the NFL draft in the last five years, with the exception of DeAngelo Hall. And when the Redskins' secondary is working, the rest of the puzzle comes together quite nicely.

All of a sudden, the Redskins defense is no longer a bunch of underachievers. It's got Reed Doughty, who is a great fundamental tackler, Chris Horton, more effective in the box than most LBs, Kareem Moore, whose range in the deep secondary frees up LaRon Landry for some in the box play, Rogers, Hall, and Tryon.

Justin Tryon may never develop into anything more than a nickelback, and he hardly has to do so to be worth his draft position. With the first sack by a Redskins defensive back in 2009, he becomes the first Redskins cornerback to get a sack since Greg Blache became defensive coordinator.

Zone coverin' Greg Blache

The Redskins are blitzing much, much less then they were last year, which was effective this week because the Redskins did not drop Brian Orakpo into coverage 80% of the time. In fact, Orakpo played more defensive line than he had at any point in the past three games. He recorded his second career sack, both coming from the down lineman position.

What's the difference? Simple really: the Redskins played less 4-3 defense when they decided in the gameplan that they were going to have to use a lot of zone underneath coverage to slow down Josh Johnson. This rose the frequency that the Redskins used their Nickel, Cobra, and Dime coverages. In every one of those schemes, Orakpo moves to the defensive line. And the Redskins are a much better defense for it.

The other thing the Redskins did with their zone coverages was that they played Kareem Moore as the free safety for his first significant playing time of the season, and let Landry play in the box. He's still a horrific tackler, that LaRon Landry, but he's a player that offenses actually have to gameplan around when he's in the box, instead of just not putting any deep post routes in the gameplan during the week.

Blache did one other thing with his zone coverage that was probably his best improvement: he stopped the stupid "two corners on the same side" in the base coverage routine, opting instead to take the strong safety and line him up over the slot receiver like a normal defensive playcaller. It's an easy way to keep an eight man near the box without having to worry about defensive ends containing on the weak side and still having to rush the passer.

I'd love to give Greg Blache credit for everything he did right this week, but the last time I did that, he went out the next week and couldn't figure out how to keep a rookie quarterback who can't throw an accurate pass from converting 3rd and 13s. So this time, I'll note the positives and bite my tongue.

Defensive Hog Hits

Some notes on this shorter than expected because-I-have-nothing-to-complain-about defensive review.

Defensive line play is still night and day when Haynesworth isn't in there, but Blache has apparently figured out that the pass rushing team of Orakpo, Haynesworth, Griffin/Jarmon, and Andre Carter/Chris Wilson is his best third down team. That's probably correct.
Carlos Rogers seems back to his normal self in coverage, but my god man, catch the football!
DeAngelo Hall now made it two straight weeks without a reception allowed of over 10 yards. Then again, that's against Matt Stafford and Josh Johnson.
Doughty over Horton is the right call. It's close, but Doughty is the better player.
Rocky McIntosh has been a very easy completion in the early stages of this season, but at least he's been a sure tackler.
The Redskins are doing a much better job covering backs this year than last. It's not going to be mentioned anywhere else, but the job that McIntosh and Fletcher and Doughty did against Cadillac Williams in the passing game probably made all the difference in the W-L column.
2-2, two more weeks to get things right before Philly. Time for Greg Blache to prove he's not the reincarnation of old 50-50.

hooskins · 10-07-2009, 11:35 PM

Nice stuff. Why the font change in the middle of the post?

I still am unsure how we will fair against better offenses and olines.

GTripp0012 · 10-07-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Nice stuff. Why the font change in the middle of the post?

I still am unsure how we will fair against better offenses and olines.

I have no idea why the font did that. It looks normal in my edit window.

Chico23231 · 10-07-2009, 11:53 PM

Great job GTripp. Yeah I was thrilled with the effort on D this past week. Keep Tryon in the game over Smoot in the Nickle all day Blache!!! Reed was just impressive. I need more Jarmon in passing situations, he has really surprised me. Its suppose to rain this weekend and Sunday for the game, so I think this really favors our D, and will at least slow up Steve Smith and D. Williams, both those guys are really quick and big play muther phuckers.

RedBar · 10-08-2009, 05:01 AM

Watched the game read your posts, somewhere there is a village missing their ax grinder first place I'd look would be Grand Rapids.

SmootSmack · 10-08-2009, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBar

Watched the game read your posts, somewhere there is a village missing their ax grinder first place I'd look would be Grand Rapids.

It's not personal, I'm sure

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBar

Watched the game read your posts, somewhere there is a village missing their ax grinder first place I'd look would be Grand Rapids.

???? The folks in Baton Rouge appear to be missing someone else a village often misses....

SmootSmack · 10-08-2009, 10:17 AM

I'm glad to see the team feeling more comfortable getting Tryon significant playing time and packages (granted it was against Josh Johnson and the Bucs, but everyone's got to start somewhere).

It wouldn't surprise me if moving forward, depending on the matchup, we start to see Smoot on the inactive list.

Kareem Moore is really the wildcard here, because if he suddenly starts to get it (which indications are he does), it really opens up a lot of possibilities for us.

GTripp0012 · 10-08-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kareem Moore is really the wildcard here, because if he suddenly starts to get it (which indications are he does), it really opens up a lot of possibilities for us.

Yeah, a whole lot of things. It would basically make the limited LB depth a non-issue.

Rajmahal33 · 10-08-2009, 10:36 AM

Good post, i haven't noticed but are there any sets where the skins have Landry, Moore, and Horton/Doughty on the field at the same time? Or some combination of that? It seems to me that our safety spots overall have more talent and depth than our CB's. Has Barnes been seeing any action? I think Barnes needs to see some more action too b/c his draft position would seem to suggest that we have a lot more riding on his development.

CrazyCanuck · 10-08-2009, 11:39 AM

Great thread Gtripp, offense too.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-08-2009, 12:54 PM

As always great info, well done. Thanks.

RedBar · 10-08-2009, 08:54 PM

Sammy even the village idiot can see Tripps biases. Sorry if you cannot.

GTripp0012 · 10-08-2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBar

Sammy even the village idiot can see Tripps biases. Sorry if you cannot.

Except that you seem to lack the basic skills necessary to separate strong opinion from having an agenda. My methodology is on the table for everyone to see, and they can disagree with me on the points where they see it differently. Your inability to see that says nothing about me whatsoever.

SmootSmack · 10-08-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBar

Sammy even the village idiot can see Tripps biases. Sorry if you cannot.

I thought that about Tripp last year, but this season I think he's been much more objective and willing to admit errors

But you know and I know you have specific biases as well, understandably so

10-07-2009, 10:55 PM	#1
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New Short one this week: they didn't do much wrong. ----------------------------- Why does Justin Tryon make a difference? Should he? Will it matter once we play a team with more than 2 NFL competent wide receivers? I'll try not to bite off anymore than I can chew. Tryon may not yet even be an adequate nickelback in the NFL yet. But when he gets to play, the Redskins at least give the illusion that they have a deep, talented secondary built almost entirely through the NFL draft in the last five years, with the exception of DeAngelo Hall. And when the Redskins' secondary is working, the rest of the puzzle comes together quite nicely. All of a sudden, the Redskins defense is no longer a bunch of underachievers. It's got Reed Doughty, who is a great fundamental tackler, Chris Horton, more effective in the box than most LBs, Kareem Moore, whose range in the deep secondary frees up LaRon Landry for some in the box play, Rogers, Hall, and Tryon. Justin Tryon may never develop into anything more than a nickelback, and he hardly has to do so to be worth his draft position. With the first sack by a Redskins defensive back in 2009, he becomes the first Redskins cornerback to get a sack since Greg Blache became defensive coordinator. Zone coverin' Greg Blache The Redskins are blitzing much, much less then they were last year, which was effective this week because the Redskins did not drop Brian Orakpo into coverage 80% of the time. In fact, Orakpo played more defensive line than he had at any point in the past three games. He recorded his second career sack, both coming from the down lineman position. What's the difference? Simple really: the Redskins played less 4-3 defense when they decided in the gameplan that they were going to have to use a lot of zone underneath coverage to slow down Josh Johnson. This rose the frequency that the Redskins used their Nickel, Cobra, and Dime coverages. In every one of those schemes, Orakpo moves to the defensive line. And the Redskins are a much better defense for it. The other thing the Redskins did with their zone coverages was that they played Kareem Moore as the free safety for his first significant playing time of the season, and let Landry play in the box. He's still a horrific tackler, that LaRon Landry, but he's a player that offenses actually have to gameplan around when he's in the box, instead of just not putting any deep post routes in the gameplan during the week. Blache did one other thing with his zone coverage that was probably his best improvement: he stopped the stupid "two corners on the same side" in the base coverage routine, opting instead to take the strong safety and line him up over the slot receiver like a normal defensive playcaller. It's an easy way to keep an eight man near the box without having to worry about defensive ends containing on the weak side and still having to rush the passer. I'd love to give Greg Blache credit for everything he did right this week, but the last time I did that, he went out the next week and couldn't figure out how to keep a rookie quarterback who can't throw an accurate pass from converting 3rd and 13s. So this time, I'll note the positives and bite my tongue. Defensive Hog Hits Some notes on this shorter than expected because-I-have-nothing-to-complain-about defensive review. Defensive line play is still night and day when Haynesworth isn't in there, but Blache has apparently figured out that the pass rushing team of Orakpo, Haynesworth, Griffin/Jarmon, and Andre Carter/Chris Wilson is his best third down team. That's probably correct. Carlos Rogers seems back to his normal self in coverage, but my god man, catch the football! DeAngelo Hall now made it two straight weeks without a reception allowed of over 10 yards. Then again, that's against Matt Stafford and Josh Johnson. Doughty over Horton is the right call. It's close, but Doughty is the better player. Rocky McIntosh has been a very easy completion in the early stages of this season, but at least he's been a sure tackler. The Redskins are doing a much better job covering backs this year than last. It's not going to be mentioned anywhere else, but the job that McIntosh and Fletcher and Doughty did against Cadillac Williams in the passing game probably made all the difference in the W-L column. 2-2, two more weeks to get things right before Philly. Time for Greg Blache to prove he's not the reincarnation of old 50-50. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-07-2009, 11:35 PM	#2
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New Nice stuff. Why the font change in the middle of the post? I still am unsure how we will fair against better offenses and olines. __________________ Vacancy

10-07-2009, 11:53 PM	#4
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,611	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New Great job GTripp. Yeah I was thrilled with the effort on D this past week. Keep Tryon in the game over Smoot in the Nickle all day Blache!!! Reed was just impressive. I need more Jarmon in passing situations, he has really surprised me. Its suppose to rain this weekend and Sunday for the game, so I think this really favors our D, and will at least slow up Steve Smith and D. Williams, both those guys are really quick and big play muther phuckers.

10-08-2009, 05:01 AM	#5
RedBar Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 45	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New Watched the game read your posts, somewhere there is a village missing their ax grinder first place I'd look would be Grand Rapids.

10-08-2009, 10:17 AM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New I'm glad to see the team feeling more comfortable getting Tryon significant playing time and packages (granted it was against Josh Johnson and the Bucs, but everyone's got to start somewhere). It wouldn't surprise me if moving forward, depending on the matchup, we start to see Smoot on the inactive list. Kareem Moore is really the wildcard here, because if he suddenly starts to get it (which indications are he does), it really opens up a lot of possibilities for us. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-08-2009, 10:36 AM	#10
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New Good post, i haven't noticed but are there any sets where the skins have Landry, Moore, and Horton/Doughty on the field at the same time? Or some combination of that? It seems to me that our safety spots overall have more talent and depth than our CB's. Has Barnes been seeing any action? I think Barnes needs to see some more action too b/c his draft position would seem to suggest that we have a lot more riding on his development. __________________ McNasty FTW!

10-08-2009, 11:39 AM	#11
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New Great thread Gtripp, offense too.

10-08-2009, 12:54 PM	#12
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,347	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New As always great info, well done. Thanks. __________________ "I would bet.....(if), an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything] in the world you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

10-08-2009, 08:54 PM	#13
RedBar Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 45	Re: Redskins vs Bucs Defensive Review: Tryon Something New Sammy even the village idiot can see Tripps biases. Sorry if you cannot.

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