Should Snyder listen to his players?

[MTK]

Should Snyder listen to his players? | National Football Post

good read

[Hog1]

DS is listening, just not officially. I GUARANTEE he does NOT like all the negative pub his team is getting, and ESPECIALLY all the allegations of incompetence leveled toward both he and VC. What happens as a result remains to be seen...........

[Beemnseven]

The picture alone of Snyder is repulsive. I can't help thinking what a pompous, smug little prick he looks like.

[The Goat]

I don't buy into the notion Snyder pays any attention to what's said. In fact I doubt he gives two shits. Look at his ten years as owner...this is a guy who believes he is absolutely the smartest person in any conversation/interaction.

...I will be shocked if he ever really turns over any serious decision-making.

[backrow]

This really becomes a poll question:

Should Dan Snyder give Coach Zorn a vote of confidence?


I say no. A vote of confidence is usually the kiss of death!

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by backrow

This really becomes a poll question:

Should Dan Snyder give Coach Zorn a vote of confidence?


I say no. A vote of confidence is usually the kiss of death!

I say great if it is the kiss,you actually want zorn to stay?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't buy into the notion Snyder pays any attention to what's said. In fact I doubt he gives two shits. Look at his ten years as owner...this is a guy who believes he is absolutely the smartest person in any conversation/interaction.

...I will be shocked if he ever really turns over any serious decision-making.

One thing that I have to give to Dan's side is that basically he has been tried and convicted of being a pompous, cretanic, uncaring bastard, etc on the basis of?????
Anybody had any direct contact with him?
He may be, but to my knowledge, nobody here can.....legitimately substantiate it

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Hog1

One thing that I have to give to Dan's side is that basically he has been tried and convicted of being a pompous, cretanic, uncaring bastard, etc on the basis of?????
Anybody had any direct contact with him?
He may be, but to my knowledge, nobody here can.....legitimately substantiate it

Even if all those things were true and more about Snyder I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even mind Snyder running the player personnel operations and fan club. If the team just played at a descent/respectable level on the field. Other then a few moments under Gibbs II was there brief accomplishment. But Snyder & Ceratto always manage to run the team back into the ground again. His unwillingness to hire a good Gm and let him run the team is what makes fans hate him. Not his exterior or behavior.
Just win baby. The fans will love you again....warts and all.

For every game the Redskin lose right now, Snyder is feeling it big time. These articles and player comments in the press. The team losing to the worst teams in the NFL. Redskins a laughing stock in the media. You better believe this is stressing him. Maybe it is what he needs so he learns to delegate to professional football men. Time will tell if continues to make an ass of himself or he digs himself out.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Even if all those things were true and more about Snyder I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even mind Snyder running the player personnel operations and fan club. If the team just played at a descent/respectable level on the field. Other then a few moments under Gibbs II was there brief accomplishment. But Snyder & Ceratto always manage to run the team back into the ground again. His unwillingness to hire a good Gm and let him run the team is what makes fans hate him. Not his exterior or behavior.
Just win baby. The fans will love you again....warts and all.

For every game the Redskin lose right now, Snyder is feeling it big time. These articles and player comments in the press. The team losing to the worst teams in the NFL. Redskins a laughing stock in the media. You better believe this is stressing him. Maybe it is what he needs so he learns to delegate to professional football men. Time will tell if continues to make an ass of himself or he digs himself out.

Excellent post man! I tend to disagree on Snyder's reaction, or lack thereof. But overall you really wrap the whole idea of a football franchise into a nice paragraph.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Excellent post man! I tend to disagree on Snyder's reaction, or lack thereof. But overall you really wrap the whole idea of a football franchise into a nice paragraph.

Thanks.
I really do think Snyder is living one of his worst moments as owner of the Redskins right now. He is feeling it. This current bad situation is at least tied for worst along with the worst moment in the Spurrier era. They would have to be at least tied for worst moment for DS as owner.
DS loves to make a splash in the media and to be talked about positively in the media. He comes from an advertising background and he knows the advantages of good press. By him looking the fool in the national media day on an hourly basis right now and the Redskins organization being an embarrassment, DS has to be losing his hair at a faster pace than normal.
When I watched a little NFL network or ESPN NFL news this week the Redskins demise is a semi-hot topic right now. We are a talking point in the national sports/football media. That is painful.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Even if all those things were true and more about Snyder I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even mind Snyder running the player personnel operations and fan club. If the team just played at a descent/respectable level on the field. Other then a few moments under Gibbs II was there brief accomplishment. But Snyder & Ceratto always manage to run the team back into the ground again. His unwillingness to hire a good Gm and let him run the team is what makes fans hate him. Not his exterior or behavior.
Just win baby. The fans will love you again....warts and all.

For every game the Redskin lose right now, Snyder is feeling it big time. These articles and player comments in the press. The team losing to the worst teams in the NFL. Redskins a laughing stock in the media. You better believe this is stressing him. Maybe it is what he needs so he learns to delegate to professional football men. Time will tell if continues to make an ass of himself or he digs himself out.

I would certainly agree regarding the "No GM" deal, as it appears that is the truth but I said, his character is constantly under assault as well. Something that cannot be accurately contrived without actual personal knowledge......

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Hog1

One thing that I have to give to Dan's side is that basically he has been tried and convicted of being a pompous, cretanic, uncaring bastard, etc on the basis of?????
Anybody had any direct contact with him?
He may be, but to my knowledge, nobody here can.....legitimately substantiate it

I have no idea what is manners are like...I don't think it makes any difference. Kraft may be the biggest jerk on the planet for all I know (I don't btw) but he knows how to be a very good franchise owner. Snyder's ownership, by any honest account, is a disaster. His manners are not more or less irrelevant but his decision-making is critical.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I have no idea what is manners are like...I don't think it makes any difference. Kraft may be the biggest jerk on the planet for all I know (I don't btw) but he knows how to be a very good franchise owner. Snyder's ownership, by any honest account, is a disaster. His manners are not more or less irrelevant but his decision-making is critical.

I really was not singling you out, but DS has recieved 40 lifetimes full of BS about his character from people that do not have any personal knowledge of him. He may deserve it, but AT LEAST it should come from actual knowledge.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I really was not singling you out, but DS has recieved 40 lifetimes full of BS about his character from people that do not have any personal knowledge of him. He may deserve it, but AT LEAST it should come from actual knowledge.

I do think you're bringing up a good point. DS does get a lot shit he doesn't deserve but if we were 5-0 right now he could be the biggest prick a-hole in the world and nobody would care. Problem is when we lose everyone piles on, fair or not. We always hear that DS just wants to win, well so do we, trouble is he's not going about things the right way to reach that goal. His track record over the last decade speaks for itself.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I really was not singling you out, but DS has recieved 40 lifetimes full of BS about his character from people that do not have any personal knowledge of him. He may deserve it, but AT LEAST it should come from actual knowledge.

I hear you and I def am sorry to come out defensive. To his credit, according to many, Snyder has been a benevolent billionaire, giving substantially to charity and whatnot. I don't know the numbers myself.

...it's sort of parallels various discussions about coaching styles. I think a number of truly great coaches are probably hard-ass types w/o much for manners. Maybe they don't get along well w/ everyone but sure seem to command respect from their roster and it shows on the field, every game, every down. Coughlin comes to mind immediately but I could name a dozen. Well, I'll take that guys over the nice coach who can't lead men any day of the week, just as I'll take a jerk owner who knows his business over the nice one who can't get out of his own way (to borrow the perfectly suited phrase from GMScud) when it comes to putting a winner together. Watching lousy football week in and week out has just gotten to be too much