Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year?

GusFrerotte · 10-25-2009, 09:59 PM

This is more of a question for the cap experts in the forum. Since it looks like 2010 is going to be a capless year, could we trade some heavy hitters without a future cap hit(assuming the cap will be back in place in 2011)? Will it really be a chance to wipe the slate clean?

skinsfaninok · 10-25-2009, 10:11 PM

Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!! As far as cp.. Who cares? He is getting old anyway. What we need to do is trade that bumb ass qb of ours and fire zorn

LMsexyAO · 10-25-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!! As far as cp.. Who cares? He is getting old anyway. What we need to do is trade that bumb ass qb of ours and fire zorn

If you would have read what he asked instead of the first 8 words you would know that he wasn't debating the effectiveness of this move but rather the cap hit ramifications.

skinsfaninok · 10-25-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LMsexyAO

If you would have read what he asked instead of the first 8 words you would know that he wasn't debating the effectiveness of this move but rather the cap hit ramifications.

Ok I understand but doing that would set us back even more.. And as far as this uncapped year, I doubt we will make many moves that will differ our team that much anyways

GridIron26 · 10-25-2009, 10:25 PM

Haynesworth have been playing pretty good, why should we trade him? The contract is the issue, but once again, the uncapped is next year.. I'm pretty sure Snyder has enough money to pay all guaranteed in the contract off next year..

As for Portis; it's somewhat sticky situation I think.. I don't think it would be easy to trade him because I don't think there will be a team who would want to give up a good round pick for a guy who we ran for 300's almost ever year with an expensive contract?? That is unless a team is looking for a RB who can block.. What I think we should do is we must find a way to restructure his contract or just pay off the guaranteed, as well.. Portis is important in passing plays; he blocks like a great FB.. And we can use him for close 3rd down plays or something like that..

GusFrerotte · 10-25-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GridIron26

Haynesworth have been playing pretty good, why should we trade him? The contract is the issue, but once again, the uncapped is next year.. I'm pretty sure Snyder has enough money to pay all guaranteed in the contract off next year..

As for Portis; it's somewhat sticky situation I think.. I don't think it would be easy to trade him because I don't think there will be a team who would want to give up a good round pick for a guy who we ran for 300's almost ever year with an expensive contract?? That is unless a team is looking for a RB who can block.. What I think we should do is we must find a way to restructure his contract or just pay off the guaranteed, as well.. Portis is important in passing plays; he blocks like a great FB.. And we can use him for close 3rd down plays or something like that..

I mentioned Al because he is one of the few players that would garner multiple pick trade interest.

GridIron26 · 10-25-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I mentioned Al because he is one of the few players that would garner mutliple pick trade interest.

Well, if you are talking about like 1st, 2nd, and maybe 3rd? or 1st and 1st for next draft then I would definitely consider it.. Otherwise, I'm not going to give up a player that make some players better.. Yes, he gets exhausted fast but he makes up by making plays..

Monkeydad · 10-26-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!!

Because, he's Gus Frerotte.

As for Portis, the answer (cap-wise) is no. We'll never get enough in return to make up for his big salary.

I still think Portis has something left in the tank if he had a line in front of him and didn't have to run the same play every time. He just had the longest run of his career. We're better off keeping him and trying to keep him fresh AND blocked for, a lot like the NJ Jets are doing to keep Thomas Jones productive as he's getting older.

munny · 10-26-2009, 11:33 AM

I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

Monkeydad · 10-26-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by munny

I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

munny · 10-26-2009, 12:15 PM

Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

redsk1 · 10-26-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

AH has pretty well IMO. Everybody is on him about the # of plays he's on the field for. Guess what, other teams sub too. Imagine that.

Hall on the other hand, i'll disagree w/ you. He's not bad. He's above average tops. He's not worth the money we paid him. We overpaid, big time. As usual right. He does make some int's which is great though but just not a shut down cb.

skinster · 10-25-2009, 10:18 PM

i think portis would be too hard to trade for a value that we would want to get for him. And as for Big Al, I do think it would make sense to trade him in the uncapped year because it seems like the cap will not increase so much year to year after the cba appears and it will make it very hard to sign other players. But of course it will NEVER happen (unless Danny had the master plan to trade him in the uncapped year the whole time...but that seems very unlikely considering that it is a very unprecedented move to sign someone who does well and then trade them, and considering that historically we trade draft picks for players and try to lock them up, not the other way around.)

skinster · 10-25-2009, 10:20 PM

o and to answer the origional question...yes we could absorb the whole cap hit in the uncapped year

BigHairedAristocrat · 10-25-2009, 10:35 PM

theres no reason to keep haynesworth around when he's only got 4 good years left in the tank and itll be 3-4 years before this team becomes competitive (assuming we are rebuilding). contract aside, it would make sense to trade him for 1sts in 2010 and 2011 for young players who would actually be coming into their primes when the team becomes competitive.

10-25-2009, 09:59 PM	#1
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? This is more of a question for the cap experts in the forum. Since it looks like 2010 is going to be a capless year, could we trade some heavy hitters without a future cap hit(assuming the cap will be back in place in 2011)? Will it really be a chance to wipe the slate clean?

10-25-2009, 10:11 PM	#2
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,155	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!! As far as cp.. Who cares? He is getting old anyway. What we need to do is trade that bumb ass qb of ours and fire zorn __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

10-25-2009, 10:25 PM	#5
GridIron26 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Age: 36 Posts: 3,441	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? Haynesworth have been playing pretty good, why should we trade him? The contract is the issue, but once again, the uncapped is next year.. I'm pretty sure Snyder has enough money to pay all guaranteed in the contract off next year.. As for Portis; it's somewhat sticky situation I think.. I don't think it would be easy to trade him because I don't think there will be a team who would want to give up a good round pick for a guy who we ran for 300's almost ever year with an expensive contract?? That is unless a team is looking for a RB who can block.. What I think we should do is we must find a way to restructure his contract or just pay off the guaranteed, as well.. Portis is important in passing plays; he blocks like a great FB.. And we can use him for close 3rd down plays or something like that..

10-26-2009, 11:33 AM	#9
munny Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 94	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

10-26-2009, 12:15 PM	#11
munny Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 94	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

10-25-2009, 10:18 PM	#13
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? i think portis would be too hard to trade for a value that we would want to get for him. And as for Big Al, I do think it would make sense to trade him in the uncapped year because it seems like the cap will not increase so much year to year after the cba appears and it will make it very hard to sign other players. But of course it will NEVER happen (unless Danny had the master plan to trade him in the uncapped year the whole time...but that seems very unlikely considering that it is a very unprecedented move to sign someone who does well and then trade them, and considering that historically we trade draft picks for players and try to lock them up, not the other way around.)

10-25-2009, 10:20 PM	#14
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? o and to answer the origional question...yes we could absorb the whole cap hit in the uncapped year

10-25-2009, 10:35 PM	#15
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? theres no reason to keep haynesworth around when he's only got 4 good years left in the tank and itll be 3-4 years before this team becomes competitive (assuming we are rebuilding). contract aside, it would make sense to trade him for 1sts in 2010 and 2011 for young players who would actually be coming into their primes when the team becomes competitive. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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