Offensive Line

[Schneed10]

We've talked about the line ad nauseum, because they're horrible and will be horrible the rest of the season, so this isn't really anything new.

But didn't the coaches get together after the season last year and point to the failings along the line as the reason for the 2-6 finish?

I point this out because it reinforces how horrible Vinny is as a personnel chief. Who knows, this coaching staff might be worth a darn, but we'll never know because they'll be gone before this team gets adequate talent along the line.

Ridiculous.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We've talked about the line ad nauseum, because they're horrible and will be horrible the rest of the season, so this isn't really anything new.

But didn't the coaches get together after the season last year and point to the failings along the line as the reason for the 2-6 finish?

I point this out because it reinforces how horrible Vinny is as a personnel chief. Who knows, this coaching staff might be worth a darn, but we'll never know because they'll be gone before this team gets adequate talent along the line.

Ridiculous.

Yup. During the personnel evaluation meetings back in late January they determined exactly that. And then did nothing about it. I've said it more than once and I'll say it again - the front office is getting just what they deserve.

Read this: Redskins Insider - Initial Personnel Ratings Completed

[RobH4413]

Agreed.

It's painfully obvious why we're not a winning team. We didn't attempt to solidify a known major deficiency, and instead went for the big name guy. A lot of moves in this league are based on risk... and we obviously took the wrong ones.

Hindsight is 20/20, but everyone was saying this before the offseason last year. At some point lack of competency turns into outright stupidity.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Read this: Redskins Insider - Initial Personnel Ratings Completed

Nothing we didn't already know but still hard to read this:

"Several people told us that the offensive line was the greatest area of concern during the first series of meetings. Offensive line Coach Joe Bugel, criticized privately by some in the organization for being too loyal to veterans in the past, was brutally honest during the line review, sources said, particularly about how the line fell apart in the second half of the season.

There was a consensus among those in attendance that the team needs to upgrade at both guard spots and right tackle, though most sources doubted there will any kind of substantial free-agent budget to do that, and figure most of the present cast will be back.

Cerrato was looking for reasons for the team's 2-6 finish, which some coaches at first thought was a joke given personnel issues and the continuing age and injury problems of the line. Rarely could the entire line practice together save for some lighter Friday sessions and the players' technique and chemistry suffered. Veteran football coaches know the importance of having a line on the practice field as a unit. With most of this bunch coming off surgery again, that issue is unlikely to go away if they keep the group together.

Third-round pick Chad Rinehart is not seen as a capable player at this point, according to numerous sources involved in the meeting, and is not projected as being anywhere close to able to replace Pete Kendall or Randy Thomas at guard. Many coaches, including Bugel, worry about his confidence and ability, sources said. He is not being counted on to produce much in 2009, and if he did it would be a surprising development. Similarly, Stephon Heyer is not viewed as a starter; he's okay for depth purposes but with Jon Jansen no longer deemed a starter, either, they need to do something at right tackle (I still expect them to draft a tackle with their first pick).

Kendall could not practice on Wednesdays all season because of his arthritic knees and, in addition, is in his mid-30s. Given the team's cap predicament, its needs and the internal expectation that they will not be big spenders, sources said they expect the team to try to re-sign Kendall on the cheap. Thomas's health and decreasing athleticism are a big issue as well, but, like Jansen, his contract makes it more expensive to cut him than to keep him, so he will be back. Look for the team to find a "value" guard in free agency to replace Jason Fabini and push for a starting job. Beyond that, I'm not sure they do a whole lot here. "

[RMSkins]

Vinny's idea of depth along the line is getting a guy a who hasn't played football for three years, and was 100 lbs out of shape. And the fact that one of the very few o-lineman Cerrato has drafted, Chad Rinehart, can't even crack the lineup of this horrible o-line is an indictment to how bad of player a player he is, just another Cerrato bust.

[tryfuhl]

offensive indeed

[skins89moss]

Big Mike Williams is stuggling at Tackle. He would be better at RG. We need to get Levi Jones at LT and Heyer back to RT. Move Mike Williams to RG. Might help a little.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Big Mike Williams is stuggling at Tackle. He would be better at RG. We need to get Levi Jones at LT and Heyer back to RT. Move Mike Williams to RG. Might help a little.

By way of injury to MW, you'll get 2/3 your wish this sunday. I'm curious and hopeful. I think this line might be the best they've put on the field since Samuels got hurt, assuming Levi can play somewhat close to his previous form.

If MW can come back & play RG in a few weeks this patchwork line might be in top form for the offseason!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

By way of injury to MW, you'll get 2/3 your wish this sunday. I'm curious and hopeful. I think this line might be the best they've put on the field since Samuels got hurt, assuming Levi can play somewhat close to his previous form.

If MW can come back & play RG in a few weeks this patchwork line might be in top form for the offseason!

Campbell seemed more comfortable when Jones was at LT. Well he's had 3 weeks to get the system down, hopefully he will do well.

[Texanskin]

this is THE main issue with our team hands down.....if you put tom brady back there you have the same result because the line sucks....we should use EVERY pick on OL next draft.

[Longtimefan]

It is what it is, and there's not any help on the horizion. It's a situation that without question needs to be addressed, unfortunately we cannot address it midseason. We have to play the remainder of the season with what we have.

[firstdown]

Wow, I didn't know we had line issues and must have missed the 30,000 post on this subject the past 8 months.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wow, I didn't know we had line issues and must have missed the 30,000 post on this subject the past 8 months.

Vinny Cerrato certainly missed them.

It's pretty pathetic when your knowledgeable fan can diagnose and resolve most of the team issues while the GM continues to have his head up his ass.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wow, I didn't know we had line issues and must have missed the 30,000 post on this subject the past 8 months.

Here's some other issues you must of missed while you were in your coma.

1.)Portis has lost a step
2.) JC is not a leader of this team
3.)Vinny drafts terrible players
4.) Snyder should sell the team
5.) Jim Zorn should be fired

I'm sure if you used the search feature that this site has you could come across about 10 threads per issue

[CultBrennan59]

So who do you all think we should get FA wise and Draft wise?