Sonny indicates our prayers may be answered

[Paintrain]

In perhaps the most damning comments from Snyder's 'inner circle' Sonny J. made some comments on the radio today that indicate that Vinny may be gone if things stay the way they are.. D.C. Sports Bog - Sonny on Vinny: "He is tied to this thing"

Originally Posted by D.C. Sports Bog

"Sonny, on the pregame show yesterday with me, you said something that I've never heard you say as definitively as you said it yesterday," Sheehan began. "You in essence said that this whole mess is really on Vinny's watch, that Vinny Cerrato's been making the decisions ever since he got the title promotion, that the decisions have been his and basically his alone. Will you sort of describe that a little bit more this morning?"

"You know, I think Joe Gibbs and Dan Snyder felt that Vinny had earned the opportunity to lead this football team, and they gave him that," Jurgensen said. "And Gibbs agreed with Snyder. And they gave him the opportunity to make the decisions. And I think, from my understanding, it was his decision to bring in another set of eyes, it was his decision to have [Sherm Lewis] call the plays, and I think these have been his decisions. He's living and dying by the success of this football team. He's tied to it. And he realizes that. And I think he would tell you that. You know, it's got to be successful for him to be here and continue in this position."

Well, it hasn't been successful. And if Sonny's understanding of things is correct, a lot of Redskins fans are now very, very happy. Pollin followed up, asking Jurgensen to assume for a minute that the Redskins win two more games and finish 4-12, which is about the right over-under at this point. In that scenario, he asked, "Can you pretty much confidently say that he's gone?"

"Yeah, I would think so, I would think so," Jurgensen said, as many listeners heard the sounds of heavenly chimes and angels singing HTTR. "I like Vinny, I don't want to....This is what is going to happen, I think. I think it's obvious that we've fired six or seven coaches, we've given him an opportunity. That's not to say Vinny wouldn't be here, but they could give Vinny something else."

Oh if it were to be so, that would make a brotha happy.

[MTK]

The question is how could Snyder NOT make a move and get Vinny out of there?

[Chico23231]

I just dont see how Vinny can survive....if he does then the answer to the question Who is the worst Owner in the League would undoubtally go to Danny Boy

[duetsch215]

if it happens, party in the nation's capital!!!!!!

[JoeRedskin]

I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.

Well, he was part of the original team that Howard Milstein put together when he was trying to buy the team from the Cooke family and was basically installed as the incoming GM. When Milstein's bid failed he was basically absorbed by the Snyder group in the same role. He had a good (on paper) pedigree from Notre Dame and SF 49ers. Apparently he really ingratiated himself to Snyder and wowed him with his accomplishments.

For most of the time he's been with the team, he's been the face to sign on to whatever Snyder wanted to do. Schottenheimer recognized this and booted him immediately. Spurrier was told he would be getting a different GM but Snyder brought in Vinny instead. Gibbs also recognized this but minimized him rather than fire him. I guess Gibbs & Snyder thought that he had learned from Gibbs (who was awful IMO in the personnel role in Gibbs 2.0) enough to run the whole show himself. I think it's obvious now that he is a total failure in that role.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.

I REALLY don't get it either. I am sure there are plenty of jobs he can be doing successfully that do not keep a 1.6 Billion dollar francise circling the drain?
Yo Vin....throw me the.........Billy Baroo

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.

The only person who will be able to answer that is DS himself.

Maybe behind closed doors he makes these moving and well thought presentations of the direction of the team. He is doing a good job of holding onto his job.

Just cant wait until he gets the boot!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by warpaint

The only person who will be able to answer that is DS himself.

Maybe behind closed doors he makes these moving and well thought presentations of the direction of the team. He is doing a good job of holding onto his job.

Just cant wait until he gets the boot!

and this is where you lose me....honestly, have you listened to Vinny speak? Perhaps you were grasping for an answer to help a brother out but Vinny reminds me of the special ed kids. No offense to anyone who has a child like this but looking at him and listening to him when he tries to present a well thought out answer is comedic. I get the feeling everytime I watch him that DS felt sorry for him and gave him a job. How DS would ever let himself be fooled by this joker for sooo long is beyond me.

I could see Vinny over seeing the theme park, or district manager at McDonalds but not building an NFL team. LOL....and to those with jobs as theme park managers or district managers at McDonalds....he wouldn't compare to you. LOL. I just think he needs to find a manager job outside of football cause he sucks.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

and this is where you lose me....honestly, have you listened to Vinny speak? Perhaps you were grasping for an answer to help a brother out but Vinny reminds me of the special ed kids.

He crushes up some valuim and spikes Danny's drink. Thats how he pulls it off, 10 YEARS HASN'T FAILED HIM YET.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. I mean, the only success this team has had is when Vinny was subordinate to Gibbs. What is his fascination with this guy? Can someone please, please explain??? I am serious so please don't give me the "he's got pictures" response. For 10 years, more or less, Vinny has been intergral to this team and it has been mediocre, unfocused and, without Gibbs around, team turmoil. How does DS not see this is Vinny? Particularly after the smear campaign on GW.

Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.

He's got pictures, seriously.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I really, really, really, don't get DS's infatuation with Vinny. ...............................
Any way, if someone has a serious answer - I'd love to hear it.

maybe they gay yo.

[Redskin Warrior]

I would be a happy man if we could get Vinny out of here!!! DS please fire your butt boy!!! All good things must come to an end in this case all terrible things must get better at sometime.

[FRPLG]

I don't care about who we fire and blame for this disaster. All that matter is that someone competent is finally put in full charge of football decisions. Vinny'y fault. Gibbs's fault, Snyder's fault...I dont care. What I do know is that whoever has been the top of the mountain, the driving force behind our basic direction, has done poorly. Someone else is needed. A true fresh set of eyes who also has termination power and roster manipulation power. Solely and without interference. Then we have to hope the guy is good at it.

[SouperMeister]

Assuming that the team finishes 4-12, I don't see how Snyder rationalizes keeping Vinny. Drafting Davis, Thomas, and Kelly was a stroke of brilliance when we were weak on both lines, but especially vulnerable on the O-line. This team is built like a fantasy football team. Somebody give Snyder a clue that his next GM better have an extensive plan to rebuild our line, or we will become a perenniel neighbor of Detroit and St. Louis in the standings.