OL not blocking Alex Brown

skin4Life28 · 10-18-2004, 08:56 AM

Can anyone explain why Alex Brown da bears DE came in unblocked about 75% of the time and forced Brunell to get flushed out to the sideline?

MTK · 10-18-2004, 09:02 AM

who was he lining up against?

Redskins_P · 10-18-2004, 09:08 AM

I think Samuels. Did you see how fast Brown was? He was all over the field making plays.

MTK · 10-18-2004, 09:12 AM

I heard Samuels was playing on a bad ankle, can anyone confirm that?

That Guy · 10-18-2004, 09:27 AM

what our coaching staff/players have done thus far is key up on the big threat and ignore "the other guy"... we held simeon rice in check, and strahan (he got 0 sacks, BUT the giants got 5 on the day), and in this game AO was really quiet, but the other guy (alex brown) sure wasn't... it wasn't 75% of plays, but it was a lot...

bugel said samuels had a fat ankle for what its worth.

Gmanc711 · 10-18-2004, 09:40 AM

Alex Brown looked like a hall of famer yesterday, hopefully Samuels can rest up if that was the case.

cpayne5 · 10-18-2004, 10:03 AM

Most of the time when Brown was getting free was when he was against a TE or when the TE would pull and Samuels would either pick up a blitzing LB or help on the DT. This is a scheme though. When this is done, 99% of the time it's a running play to the right. Brown was so fast that he could blast into the backfield and get the RB before he hit the hole. I think they just underestimated Brown's ability. The Bears do have an excellent set of Dlinemen, though. We need a guy named Tank, by the way. We should call Ola Kimrin Tank.

memphisskin · 10-18-2004, 10:20 AM

It figures it was Samuels, he has not played as dominantly as I thought he would this year. I really figured that Samuels and the entire line would blossom under Bugel, and while they are improved it's still not enough to keep our qb upright or to open big holes for Portis. Samuels may have made it to the Pro Bowl a few times, but no one could confuse him for a Pro Bowler in our last 22 games.

It was Samuels who gave up that pressure that led to Chicago's only score wasn't it? This season only proves who our best offensive lineman is, and it's not the guy who farts and burps in meetings either.

d151b · 10-18-2004, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

Most of the time when Brown was getting free was when he was against a TE or when the TE would pull and Samuels would either pick up a blitzing LB or help on the DT. This is a scheme though. When this is done, 99% of the time it's a running play to the right. Brown was so fast that he could blast into the backfield and get the RB before he hit the hole. I think they just underestimated Brown's ability. The Bears do have an excellent set of Dlinemen, though. We need a guy named Tank, by the way. We should call Ola Kimrin Tank.

cpayne5 hit the nail on the head.

That Guy · 10-18-2004, 10:40 AM

samuels is good, but i really don't think he's ever really been pro bowl caliber (even when he did get in)...

MTK · 10-18-2004, 10:56 AM

Samuels has been fine this year and has definitely stepped up his play from last year.

cpayne5 · 10-18-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Samuels has been fine this year and has definitely stepped up his play from last year.

I agree.

I also think he was deserving of his Pro Bowl status a few years ago, contrary to today's popular opinion.

memphisskin · 10-18-2004, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Samuels has been fine this year and has definitely stepped up his play from last year.

I think that says it all. He can't be just fine, he's got to dominate. He's the 3rd overall pick, you expect to get a top notch guy in that spot, I'd be hard pressed to put Samuels up with the top guys. The line play has been spotty so far all around, but Samuels has disappointed so far because he can play better. He's not close to a Pro Bowler this season, he must be hurt because you don't go from dominant to also ran in your 5th season.

SkinsRock · 10-18-2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by memphisskin

I think that says it all. He can't be just fine, he's got to dominate. He's the 3rd overall pick, you expect to get a top notch guy in that spot, I'd be hard pressed to put Samuels up with the top guys. The line play has been spotty so far all around, but Samuels has disappointed so far because he can play better. He's not close to a Pro Bowler this season, he must be hurt because you don't go from dominant to also ran in your 5th season.

I think Matty's point was that he is improving, as is the entire line. But that does not mean they are anywhere near where they should be. It takes time. Just as with Gibbs for the offense as a whole, people kind of expected Bugel to "wave his magic wand" and the O-line would become dominant overnight. It just doesn't happen that way, plus the loss of Jansen was huge, but they are definitely getting there...

memphisskin · 10-19-2004, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsRock

I think Matty's point was that he is improving, as is the entire line. But that does not mean they are anywhere near where they should be. It takes time. Just as with Gibbs for the offense as a whole, people kind of expected Bugel to "wave his magic wand" and the O-line would become dominant overnight. It just doesn't happen that way, plus the loss of Jansen was huge, but they are definitely getting there...

So wait, we need to be patient with the offensive line but not the quarterback? I'm not saying Brunell is improving in the least, but I don't see much improvement out of Samuels.

My point is we can't scapegoat the players. I even saw a post about Brunell not being "committed to winning." Let's give this team some time, the frustration in here is due to our view that the team is underachieving, well the special teams and offense are underachieving. This team is clearly not playing as well as the sum of its parts, but there are 10 games left.

Cut Samuels, good one matty and point taken.

10-18-2004, 08:56 AM	#1
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 39 Posts: 447	OL not blocking Alex Brown Can anyone explain why Alex Brown da bears DE came in unblocked about 75% of the time and forced Brunell to get flushed out to the sideline?

10-18-2004, 09:40 AM	#6
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 40 Posts: 7,506	Alex Brown looked like a hall of famer yesterday, hopefully Samuels can rest up if that was the case. __________________ #21

10-18-2004, 10:03 AM	#7
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Most of the time when Brown was getting free was when he was against a TE or when the TE would pull and Samuels would either pick up a blitzing LB or help on the DT. This is a scheme though. When this is done, 99% of the time it's a running play to the right. Brown was so fast that he could blast into the backfield and get the RB before he hit the hole. I think they just underestimated Brown's ability. The Bears do have an excellent set of Dlinemen, though. We need a guy named Tank, by the way. We should call Ola Kimrin Tank. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

10-18-2004, 09:02 AM	#2
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,048	who was he lining up against?

10-18-2004, 09:08 AM	#3
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,101	I think Samuels. Did you see how fast Brown was? He was all over the field making plays.

10-18-2004, 09:12 AM	#4
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,048	I heard Samuels was playing on a bad ankle, can anyone confirm that?

10-18-2004, 09:27 AM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	what our coaching staff/players have done thus far is key up on the big threat and ignore "the other guy"... we held simeon rice in check, and strahan (he got 0 sacks, BUT the giants got 5 on the day), and in this game AO was really quiet, but the other guy (alex brown) sure wasn't... it wasn't 75% of plays, but it was a lot... bugel said samuels had a fat ankle for what its worth.

10-18-2004, 10:20 AM	#8
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 54 Posts: 960	It figures it was Samuels, he has not played as dominantly as I thought he would this year. I really figured that Samuels and the entire line would blossom under Bugel, and while they are improved it's still not enough to keep our qb upright or to open big holes for Portis. Samuels may have made it to the Pro Bowl a few times, but no one could confuse him for a Pro Bowler in our last 22 games. It was Samuels who gave up that pressure that led to Chicago's only score wasn't it? This season only proves who our best offensive lineman is, and it's not the guy who farts and burps in meetings either.

10-18-2004, 10:40 AM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	samuels is good, but i really don't think he's ever really been pro bowl caliber (even when he did get in)...

10-18-2004, 10:56 AM	#11
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,048	Samuels has been fine this year and has definitely stepped up his play from last year.

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