does tom brady have his own rules?

mlmdub130 · 12-01-2009, 12:00 AM

so everyone jokes about this, but seriously why does he get special treatment. if it was brady instead of campbell in there against the eagles then that drive would have continued, i think we all said something to that effect.

and tonight brady just threw a pass which i would think is more than obvious intentional grounding. he was outside the tackle box but the ball was easily 5 yards short of the line of scrimage. but the ref and the annoucers said he was out of the pocket and got the ball at or near the line of scrimage wtf does that mean? is this a new brady tuck rule, i'm so sick of this s what is the deal with the nfl's man crush on this guy can anyone please explain this to me

from nfl.com NFL Rules Digest: Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass

Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass
Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released.
Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.
Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line).

Ruhskins · 12-01-2009, 12:24 AM

Tom Brady just got benched....wow.

mlmdub130 · 12-01-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Tom Brady just got benched....wow.

i guess the cheater gave up

sportscurmudgeon · 12-01-2009, 01:40 AM

It was pretty obvious that Brady threw the pass you are talking about to no one. He threw it away and it did not reach the line of scrimmage.

Technically, that is a penalty. However, since that rule has been on the books, the way it has been called is that the ball has to "get close to" the line of scrimmage. I can never recall a time when the referees ever marked the spot at which the ball landed and then "measured" with regard to the sideline marker that indicates the line of scrimmage on a given play.

This is sort of like the way the rule is called about offensive linemen having to be on the line of scrimmage. On passing downs, some of them are almost a full yard behind the line as the ball is snapped. The officials have to think that the guy is egregiously off the line before it is called. Technically, the offensive line should be straight as an arrow; how many times - - other than a 3rd and inches situation - - does that happen?

Brady gets breaks in calls because he is on a successful team. That happens to successful teams. It's not right, but that is the way things go down. The Colts get "beneficial calls". In tonight's game, the Saints got away with a couple of holding calls on pass patterns. If that had not been the Saints back there and instead it was the St. Louis Rams, flags would have flown...

InsaneBoost · 12-01-2009, 01:48 AM

Brady is a douche.

tryfuhl · 12-01-2009, 06:31 AM

Yes, I've seen numerous hits, lunges from the knees, etc that would've been penalties against Brady not end up being penalties on other QBs, I mentioned it in the other discussion about this. Brady looks and fights for the flag though, unlike a lot of QBs.

SolidSnake84 · 12-01-2009, 08:10 AM

At some point the NFL is going to have to admit biased towards Brady and/or NE in general.

Belichick is a known cheater, and possible briber....at some point he is going to be exposed..its a matter of time. One day somebody is going to come foreward about the extent of his treachery.

I wanted him to get a coaching ban after they proved he cheated a few years ago. At the very least, maybe take the Superbowl wins away, because he may have cheated to win those games too....

Belichick is going to be exposed...trust me

tryfuhl · 12-01-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

At some point the NFL is going to have to admit biased towards Brady and/or NE in general.

Belichick is a known cheater, and possible briber....at some point he is going to be exposed..its a matter of time. One day somebody is going to come foreward about the extent of his treachery.

I wanted him to get a coaching ban after they proved he cheated a few years ago. At the very least, maybe take the Superbowl wins away, because he may have cheated to win those games too....

Belichick is going to be exposed...trust me

by is you mean "I want him to be"

the evidence from spygate was destroyed instead of tucked away in nfl headquarters

I doubt anybody ever comes forward and if it does happen it will be a Donaghy type situation

mlmdub130 · 12-02-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

by is you mean "I want him to be"

the evidence from spygate was destroyed instead of tucked away in nfl headquarters

I doubt anybody ever comes forward and if it does happen it will be a Donaghy type situation

did anyone else see the video footage that they showed, jay glazer had like 45 secs of it somehow, that guy gets his hands on everything, but it was a camera that zoomed in on the play caller giving siginals, then panned up to the down and distance and time. the fact the he is still allowed to be a head coach is a joke, it was blatant cheating.

and the fact that it was destrroyed is rediculious, why would you destroy it instead of keeping it for further investigations, or even for records

MTK · 12-02-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mlmdub130

did anyone else see the video footage that they showed, jay glazer had like 45 secs of it somehow, that guy gets his hands on everything, but it was a camera that zoomed in on the play caller giving siginals, then panned up to the down and distance and time. the fact the he is still allowed to be a head coach is a joke, it was blatant cheating.

and the fact that it was destrroyed is rediculious, why would you destroy it instead of keeping it for further investigations, or even for records

Because in the end it only makes the NFL look bad. Better to sweep it under the rug and move on ASAP.

MTK · 12-01-2009, 09:16 AM

Meh I dunno, I saw a few hits on him last night that could have been called and weren't. Of course stars get some calls that others don't, that's not unique to the NFL though.

sandtrapjack · 12-01-2009, 09:44 AM

Belichick simply makes me sick sometimes.

Why did he take his starters out? This is a coach that is known to keep his starters in the game, throw deep when they are winning 59-0 late in the 4th quarter.

Now, when he is obviously getting his ass handed to him and embarassed and humiliated on national TV, he just quits!?!?!? :frusty:

I remember the 2007 season when he unnecessarily ran up the score in several games when the outcome was well decided.

Seems to me a lot of team remember that. And now that favor will be returned upon him several times over.

MTK · 12-01-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Belichick simply makes me sick sometimes.

Why did he take his starters out? This is a coach that is known to keep his starters in the game, throw deep when they are winning 59-0 late in the 4th quarter.

Now, when he is obviously getting his ass handed to him and embarassed and humiliated on national TV, he just quits!?!?!? :frusty:

I remember the 2007 season when he unnecessarily ran up the score in several games when the outcome was well decided.

Seems to me a lot of team remember that. And now that favor will be returned upon him several times over.

Yeah it is pretty ironic that he doesn't hesitate to keep the peddle down when the game is in his favor, but he basically throws in the towel last night when he was the one getting spanked.

SouperMeister · 12-01-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Belichick simply makes me sick sometimes.

Why did he take his starters out? This is a coach that is known to keep his starters in the game, throw deep when they are winning 59-0 late in the 4th quarter.

Now, when he is obviously getting his ass handed to him and embarassed and humiliated on national TV, he just quits!?!?!? :frusty:

I remember the 2007 season when he unnecessarily ran up the score in several games when the outcome was well decided.

Seems to me a lot of team remember that. And now that favor will be returned upon him several times over.

One of those games he ran up the score in '07 was against the Skins, when he still had Brady throwing bombs to Moss with a 38-0 lead in the 4th quarter. If the Skins are ever in the position the Saints were in vs. Belicheat last night, I hope we keep our foot on the throttle, and step on their throats.

After enjoying the Saints thoroughly undressing Brady/Belicheat on national TV, I believe they may be my surrogate team this postseason, but of course, I'm rooting for the Skins to beat them on Sunday.

BTW, Drew Brees has been notoriously poor against the Skins. In 3 career starts (1-2), he has a 1-6 TD/INT ratio, and his best yardage game of the three was 216 yards last year, which was his worst yardage game in 2008. The Skins may not win, but I wouldn't pick the Saints to cover 17 points, which just might be the spread for Sunday.

skinsfan69 · 12-01-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister;632812[B

]One of those games he ran up the score in '07 was against the Skins, when he still had Brady throwing bombs to Moss with a 38-0 lead in the 4th quarter. If the Skins are ever in the position the Saints were in vs. Belicheat last night, I hope we keep our foot on the throttle, and step on their throats.[/B]

After enjoying the Saints thoroughly undressing Brady/Belicheat on national TV, I believe they may be my surrogate team this postseason, but of course, I'm rooting for the Skins to beat them on Sunday.

BTW, Drew Brees has been notoriously poor against the Skins. In 3 career starts (1-2), he has a 1-6 TD/INT ratio, and his best yardage game of the three was 216 yards last year, which was his worst yardage game in 2008. The Skins may not win, but I wouldn't pick the Saints to cover 17 points, which just might be the spread for Sunday.

It's the NFL. Too freakin bad. It's not NE's job to stop playing offense just cause we can't stop them. I remember this game very well and everyone around here was up in arms. I don't understand why. I use this as an example..I think it was Gibbs' last year in 92 and we beat the shit out of the Cardinals. The game was over and Gibbs put in Cary Conklin and threw the ball to Monk for a TD very late in the 4th q. Remember who the coach was for the Cardinbals? Joe Bugel. In other words Gibbs ran it up on one of his own guys.

12-01-2009, 12:00 AM	#1
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,238	does tom brady have his own rules? so everyone jokes about this, but seriously why does he get special treatment. if it was brady instead of campbell in there against the eagles then that drive would have continued, i think we all said something to that effect. and tonight brady just threw a pass which i would think is more than obvious intentional grounding. he was outside the tackle box but the ball was easily 5 yards short of the line of scrimage. but the ref and the annoucers said he was out of the pocket and got the ball at or near the line of scrimage wtf does that mean? is this a new brady tuck rule, i'm so sick of this s what is the deal with the nfl's man crush on this guy can anyone please explain this to me from nfl.com NFL Rules Digest: Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released. Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line). __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

12-01-2009, 12:24 AM	#2
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,355	Re: does tom brady have his own rules? Tom Brady just got benched....wow. __________________ R.I.P. #21

12-01-2009, 01:40 AM	#4
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: does tom brady have his own rules? It was pretty obvious that Brady threw the pass you are talking about to no one. He threw it away and it did not reach the line of scrimmage. Technically, that is a penalty. However, since that rule has been on the books, the way it has been called is that the ball has to "get close to" the line of scrimmage. I can never recall a time when the referees ever marked the spot at which the ball landed and then "measured" with regard to the sideline marker that indicates the line of scrimmage on a given play. This is sort of like the way the rule is called about offensive linemen having to be on the line of scrimmage. On passing downs, some of them are almost a full yard behind the line as the ball is snapped. The officials have to think that the guy is egregiously off the line before it is called. Technically, the offensive line should be straight as an arrow; how many times - - other than a 3rd and inches situation - - does that happen? Brady gets breaks in calls because he is on a successful team. That happens to successful teams. It's not right, but that is the way things go down. The Colts get "beneficial calls". In tonight's game, the Saints got away with a couple of holding calls on pass patterns. If that had not been the Saints back there and instead it was the St. Louis Rams, flags would have flown... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

12-01-2009, 01:48 AM	#5
InsaneBoost The Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: DC Age: 36 Posts: 1,300	Re: does tom brady have his own rules? Brady is a douche. __________________

12-01-2009, 06:31 AM	#6
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: does tom brady have his own rules? Yes, I've seen numerous hits, lunges from the knees, etc that would've been penalties against Brady not end up being penalties on other QBs, I mentioned it in the other discussion about this. Brady looks and fights for the flag though, unlike a lot of QBs.

12-01-2009, 08:10 AM	#7
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: does tom brady have his own rules? At some point the NFL is going to have to admit biased towards Brady and/or NE in general. Belichick is a known cheater, and possible briber....at some point he is going to be exposed..its a matter of time. One day somebody is going to come foreward about the extent of his treachery. I wanted him to get a coaching ban after they proved he cheated a few years ago. At the very least, maybe take the Superbowl wins away, because he may have cheated to win those games too.... Belichick is going to be exposed...trust me __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

12-01-2009, 09:16 AM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,608	Re: does tom brady have his own rules? Meh I dunno, I saw a few hits on him last night that could have been called and weren't. Of course stars get some calls that others don't, that's not unique to the NFL though. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-01-2009, 09:44 AM	#12
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: does tom brady have his own rules? Belichick simply makes me sick sometimes. Why did he take his starters out? This is a coach that is known to keep his starters in the game, throw deep when they are winning 59-0 late in the 4th quarter. Now, when he is obviously getting his ass handed to him and embarassed and humiliated on national TV, he just quits!?!?!? :frusty: I remember the 2007 season when he unnecessarily ran up the score in several games when the outcome was well decided. Seems to me a lot of team remember that. And now that favor will be returned upon him several times over.

does tom brady have his own rules?

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