Defending the Danny?

[Trample the Elderly]

Why not? Listen to my homeboy Skeletor make his case.

[Kalisto2010]

I agree with the man 110%. Yes DS has made some bad decisions but he's always did everything he could as an owner to bring the best players in here possible. As I've stated before his heart has always been in the right place. It's not if we'll win a Superbowl in the Snyder era, it's when, and how many, despite the tumultuous start.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I agree with the man 110%. Yes DS has made some bad decisions but he's always did everything he could as an owner to bring the best players in here possible. As I've stated before his heart has always been in the right place. It's not if we'll win a Superbowl in the Snyder era, it's when, and how many, despite the tumultuous start.

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

Thankfully this is where I blame Vinny. I doubt DS sat in his cubby with a chubby and said Vinny I want this person. Go get them. To me it seems more that Vinny thought "Oh we need a WR lets go get Lloyd. Oh we need a Safety lets get Archie" and DS said do we really need them and Vinny said yes we have holes. So DS brought them in. It screams of Vinny when you hear that Vinny told Schottenheimer that DS maybe listening to him in preseason but during the regular season DS will be listening to him while in the box upstairs. It screamed of Vinny losing control of the power he had with or over DS. Then Marty fires him. At seasons end Marty wanted more control and DS got scared off by it and said no, so Marty walked. DS brought back the only person who he befriended and could trust to handle the contracts and team.... Vinny. If Vinny wasn't pulling all the strings he definitly was an enabler.

I'm glad Vinny's gone. I think Allen is a no BS type of guy. I think Shanahan is a no BS type of guy and treats all players equally. No favorites. I think DS realized the team has changed players in and out with out success, theyve traded HC's in and out with out success, The only thing that has not been changed has been the GM spot and owners spot. DS is not going to sell the team. It's a cash cow. He's making money. So the only thing that could be done was change GM's. In this situation not only has the GM been changed for fresh ideas to filter through the team but a new HC that has been to the big dance and knows what it takes. A HC that does not have the college to NFL questions, or the new kid on the block untested unproven OC or position coach.

I don't think anyone 2 yrs ago came out and said "hey DS and VC are doing it right they are picking up a no name QB coach to lead this team." I think most of us if not all had questions and wondered if it was going to work out. In this situation we know Shanahan worked out in Denver. His scheme works.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

[/B]....To me it seems more that Vinny thought "Oh we need a WR lets go get Lloyd. Oh we need a Safety lets get Archie" and DS said do we really need them and Vinny said yes we have holes. So DS brought them in.....

Blame for Lloyd, Arch and ARE falls on Gibbs. He approved the moves. However even more blame for those is on Al Saunders (Lloyd & ARE) and G. Williams (Arch). All DS & VC did is go get the players the Team President & HC told them to get.

There are several reasons for why things failed in the past here. Ultimately Snyder takes the blame because he's the primary owner, but prior to Gibbs departure, very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

Going forward, based on the poll and responses, for the most part people are about 90+% on board with Shanahan and Allen. If things wind up going South, I think anyone who supported these moves refrain from DS bashing (this isn't directed at you, just a general statement).

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

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[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

Why is Joe Gibbs given a free pass?? Wasn't he the team president when we brought in these free agents?? I just don't see how this is Snyder's fault for giving Gibbs the players he wanted.

[Daseal]

People in this town LOVE to blame Danny for everything. Granted, there's not much transparency within the organization, but my personal feeling on the matter is he isn't nearly as involved as he seems. He wants to know what's happening with HIS team, he wants to interview a coach before he pays him millions upon millions of dollars, I have no issues with him having a role in an organization he owns.

I think a lot of the blame that should fall on coaches and vinny has been diverted, often by the media, because he's not a very likable guy.

I could be completely wrong on this due to lack of transparency, but my feeling is the most he does is sign the checks.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

More than you'd like to think don't care all that much. They only want to win from a business perspective.

[LandrySlice]

makes some good points, but lets remember that this is the same guy who was having vinny go on the radio every week instead of doing his job. this is just one small example of how mindless DS can be about what it takes to have a winning football team

[53Fan]

Have you ever wanted something so bad that you tried too hard and f' up instead of being patient and taking the proper steps?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Have you ever wanted something so bad that you tried too hard and f' up instead of being patient and taking the proper steps?

We're waiting for him to finally come to the conclusion that for as much as he wants to win, he must also realize there's a process necessary to achieve that goal. Now that the plumber is gone there could be light at the new beginning.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Have you ever wanted something so bad that you tried too hard and f' up instead of being patient and taking the proper steps?

Yeah: pussy.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Yeah: pussy.

LOL, I don't know how long this will still be here but that's funny.

[KLHJ2]

This guy sounds more drunk than I on a Saturday night. Listening to him was like trying to listen to a pep talk from my father during a 1 week drinking binge.