Forcefeeding

[offiss]

Gibb's is forcefeeding Brunell on this team, why? I will give you 43 million reason's why, it was one of his first moves as GM and it is an absolute blunder, to not only give him 43 mil but give up a pick to get him when he was going to be released, I said it the day the rumor's started swirling around about us getting Brunell, well for all those who thought Gibb's new what he was doing with this trade, I told you so!

I also said at the time that Ramsey now is better than Brunell, and once he has the expierence he will be better than Brunell ever could have hoped to be, and it's only a matter of time before I am writing I told you so! But until Gibb's decides to swallow his pride and make the switch, we will continue to lose, Brunell will not get better.

On a lighter note I am on the verge of taking Gardner out of my dog house, he is finally looking like he may fullfill the potential that we all new he had, I have to give credit where credit is do, he's done a good job, and he throw's a much better ball than Brunell, how bout the best deep pass of the day came on the 1 and only throw by a WR and he almost completed it, [ it looked like the DB hooked our WR a little on that one as well] Brunell didn't come that close with a semi deep ball all day.

I am going to cut portis slack until Brunell is out of there, it has to be pretty tough running when you can't spread the D because they don't respect anything deep, they are just flooding our running lanes with defender's knowing brunell can't drive the ball down field, so what if they give up a short pass here or there, Brunell will stumble before he crosses mid field.

I saw the highlight of the offsides by Thrash he went in motion then kind of stopped and faced the line I do believe you can face the line so long as you don't go forward, I also thought you don't have to come to a complete stop either, tough call I would really have to look at it more closely, regardless we shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with, BRUNELL YOU ARE A SHAM AS QB, AND IF YOU HAD ANY HONOR AT ALL YOU WOULD GIVE BACK YOUR SIGNING BONUS AND RETIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Defense under the circumstances OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cpayne5]

I'm not buying into the theory that Gibbs is playing Brunell based entirely on the amount of his contract. I don't like that Brunell is still in there, but I don't agree with your opinion as to why he's still in there.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I'm not buying into the theory that Gibbs is playing Brunell based entirely on the amount of his contract. I don't like that Brunell is still in there, but I don't agree with your opinion as to why he's still in there.

Well he's certainly not basing it on his performance. let's see his QB rating this week was 60. Not sure if that is up or down from the chicago game, which that in itself pretty much sums it up.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by offiss

Well he's certainly not basing it on his performance. let's see his QB rating this week was 60. Not sure if that is up or down from the chicago game, which that in itself pretty much sums it up.

I agree that Brunell has played horribly. But we do not know 100% of what Gibbs and Co are thinking, so how can we jump to conclusions as to why Brunell is still in? I think that its pretty insulting to Gibbs that you would suggest he's that ignorant, stubborn ,shallow, or whatever it is you're trying to say.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I'm not buying into the theory that Gibbs is playing Brunell based entirely on the amount of his contract. I don't like that Brunell is still in there, but I don't agree with your opinion as to why he's still in there.

I don't think he's playing him just because of his contract either.

If that's the case we're in for a rough 5 years.

It's not like Ramsey was playing lights out in camp and Gibbs gave the job to Brunell anyway. If that happened this argument might hold some water.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

Gibb's is forcefeeding Brunell on this team, why? I will give you 43 million reason's why, it was one of his first moves as GM and it is an absolute blunder, to not only give him 43 mil but give up a pick to get him when he was going to be released, I said it the day the rumor's started swirling around about us getting Brunell, well for all those who thought Gibb's new what he was doing with this trade, I told you so!

if you think Gibbs would put pride or money in front of wins and give Brunell the ball just cuz he was his choice at expense of the team, you are just dead wrong.

Originally Posted by offiss

I am going to cut portis slack until Brunell is out of there, it has to be pretty tough running when you can't spread the D because they don't respect anything deep, they are just flooding our running lanes with defender's knowing brunell can't drive the ball down field, so what if they give up a short pass here or there, Brunell will stumble before he crosses mid field.

slack?? anyone who's dissed Portis this year is nuts. Portis has been the ONLY guy on our offense this whole year, not to mention the most talented on that side of the ball. by far. he was being used completely wrong at first, but he gave it his all, and once Gibbs learned how to use him, the fumbles stopped and the yardage came. that guy NEVER quits, and is always squirming for that yard way after the OLine, Brunell, AND the WRs have given up on the play. i noticed Gibbs held back on the pitchouts this game, too bad, i saw that his longest gain was on one of the rare times they called it.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

I've slowly been converted into one of the fans calling for Ramsey to start, but I've also been thinking that with how badly Brunnel has played and Gibbs legally doing whatever it takes to win, why is Gibbs so hesitant to put Ramsey in there? I mean Brunnel can't play much worse(knock on wood) and Gibbs knows a thing or 2 about qbs but yet it doesn't even seem like an option to Gibbs to have Ramsey playing and that's pretty frightening.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

if you think Gibbs would put pride or money in front of wins and give Brunell the ball just cuz he was his choice at expense of the team, you are just dead wrong.

, not to mention the most talented on that side of the ball. by far. he was being used completely wrong at first, but he gave it his all, and once Gibbs learned how to use him, the fumbles stopped and the yardage came. that guy NEVER quits, and is always squirming for that yard way after the OLine, Brunell, AND the WRs have given up on the play. i noticed Gibbs held back on the pitchouts this game, too bad, i saw that his longest gain was on one of the rare times they called it.

Correct me if I am wrong here Portis has 2 100yd games? Gardner has been our best offensive player this year.

Im dead wrong AAAAA, so tell me what has Brunell done to earn the loyalty he is recieving right now? Any other QB for any other team would be on the bench, but Brunell is still playing, and all the NFL experts no it! Gibb's made a pre-determained decision on the QB's without really taking a close look at Ramsey, he assumed that Brunell because of his previous numbers would thrive under his guidance, well we are seeing why Coughlin wanted to trade him, he knew he couldn't win with him, he was a kaotic QB who ran around and made play's, he is not a passer which you have to be to play for Gibb's, so keep writing because when ramsey get's his chance to play I will season them with salt and post them so you may eat them.

Rest assured I AM DEAD ON!!!!!

QUOTE]slack?? anyone who's dissed Portis this year is nuts. Portis has been the ONLY guy on our offense this whole year

Maybe that explain's our 2-5 record? :tongue

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

Correct me if I am wrong here Portis has 2 100yd games? Gardner has been our best offensive player this year.

Im dead wrong AAAAA, so tell me what has Brunell done to earn the loyalty he is recieving right now? Any other QB for any other team would be on the bench, but Brunell is still playing, and all the NFL experts no it! Gibb's made a pre-determained decision on the QB's without really taking a close look at Ramsey, he assumed that Brunell because of his previous numbers would thrive under his guidance, well we are seeing why Coughlin wanted to trade him, he knew he couldn't win with him, he was a kaotic QB who ran around and made play's, he is not a passer which you have to be to play for Gibb's, so keep writing because when ramsey get's his chance to play I will season them with salt and post them so you may eat them.

Rest assured I AM DEAD ON!!!!!

Maybe that explain's our 2-5 record? :tongue

sure thing offiss, and PRESEASON didn't happen. what happened to Ramsey then?? have you seen what he's like at practice?

oh and Gardner's 'awesome' play this year is just a liiiittle bit determined by the play of your boy uh...BRUNELL

oh and just because i said Portis is the most talented player on an 11 man offense we should have a record of 7-0 and seven 100 yd games??

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

sure thing offiss, and PRESEASON didn't happen. what happened to Ramsey then?? have you seen what he's like at practice?

oh and Gardner's 'awesome' play this year is just a liiiittle bit determined by the play of your boy uh...BRUNELL

oh and just because i said Portis is the most talented player on an 11 man offense we should have a record of 7-0 and seven 100 yd games??

What on earth did Brunell do in the pre-season that remotly said this guy is the good's, he's a veteran QB playing against scrub's and didn't look any better than Ramsey other than 1 TD to McCant's that's it, the starting job apparently from what we knew was still up for grab's 4 games into the pre-season, and don't think that the deck wasen't stacked in Brunell's favor as far as matchup's either, he stunk in the pre season he was just anointed starter ahead of Ramsey a young and still inexpierenced QB, most of this board agreed Ramsey would have had to out play Brunell big time to start.

As far as practice goes I imagine he's doing better there, I heard Jeff George was a pretty good practice player.

As far as Portis goes, YOU SAID that Portis is the only guy on our offense this year, meaning he's our entire offense, then you said he is also our most talented player, so I was correct in what I read, you were incorrect in understanding what you wrote.

You do have a point though about Brunell contributing to Gardner's success, if it wasen't for his eratic passing Gardner wouldn't have had the opportunity to make oh about 5 or 6 catches this year that probably most NFL reciever's would be lucky to catch 1, that is why he is our MVP on offense right now, Now if Portis is not more talented than Gardner I would hate to be the one who has to pay Gardner next year, or Portis for the remainder of his contract, you see talent and production are 2 totally different scenerio's.

It's only a matter of time rest assured there will be grumbling's behind the seen's from player's about the horrific play of Brunell, and Gibb's will have no choice but to play Ramsey, IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

What on earth did Brunell do in the pre-season that remotly said this guy is the good's, he's a veteran QB playing against scrub's and didn't look any better than Ramsey other than 1 TD to McCant's that's it, the starting job apparently from what we knew was still up for grab's 4 games into the pre-season, and don't think that the deck wasen't stacked in Brunell's favor as far as matchup's either, he stunk in the pre season he was just anointed starter ahead of Ramsey a young and still inexpierenced QB, most of this board agreed Ramsey would have had to out play Brunell big time to start.

point is, Ramsey didn't outplay Brunell. Gibbs did take a serious look.

Originally Posted by offiss

As far as Portis goes, YOU SAID that Portis is the only guy on our offense this year, meaning he's our entire offense, then you said he is also our most talented player, so I was correct in what I read, you were incorrect in understanding what you wrote.

You do have a point though about Brunell contributing to Gardner's success, if it wasen't for his eratic passing Gardner wouldn't have had the opportunity to make oh about 5 or 6 catches this year that probably most NFL reciever's would be lucky to catch 1, that is why he is our MVP on offense right now, Now if Portis is not more talented than Gardner I would hate to be the one who has to pay Gardner next year, or Portis for the remainder of his contract, you see talent and production are 2 totally different scenerio's.

ANY wide receiver's play is heavily dependent on QB play, whose play is determined by OLine play. YOU started off by saying you were giving Portis 'slack', when in the face of every defense stacking up the line, he's been productive IN SPITE of the Oline and QB play. and i dunno what you're talking about contracts now?

Originally Posted by offiss

It's only a matter of time rest assured there will be grumbling's behind the seen's from player's about the horrific play of Brunell, and Gibb's will have no choice but to play Ramsey, IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME!

of COURSE it's a matter of time Ramsey will play, Ramsey is our QB of the future, as said by Gibbs himself. but he will only good be after he's learned a couple more things on the field, and our oLine improves.

[illdefined]

like i said in another post, only Gibbs spends the week seeing both these QBs play under the pressure of an angry blitzing defense (ours). what did YOU do this week?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

like i said in another post, only Gibbs spends the week seeing both these QBs play under the pressure of an angry blitzing defense (ours). what did YOU do this week?

LOL yeah that pretty much sums up how I feel.

We can sit here and second guess Gibbs all we want, fact is he's the man who brought this team 3 trophies, he must have some clue as to what he's doing.

[Big C]

but at least teams have to respect the fact that ramsey can throw the ball more than 15 yards...did u see the hail mary at the end of the 2nd? it went to the 10!!! and we were past midfield...

[Tahoe Skin]

Originally Posted by Big C

but at least teams have to respect the fact that ramsey can throw the ball more than 15 yards...

Yep! Did you see the Packer defense repeatedly line up EVERYONE (safeties included) within 10 yards from the line of scrimmage?

Originally Posted by Big C

...did u see the hail mary at the end of the 2nd? it went to the 10!!! and we were past midfield...

That was too funny! Even if we had caught it we wouldn't have scored. Daah!

But we all have faith. Faith that Gibbs will turn it around - which will be the moment he benches Brunell. Isn't that how he turned it around before? By going to Rypien and Williams and when they were back ups?