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Tahoe Skin · 11-01-2004, 07:29 PM

You have to admire Gibbs' stubborn dedication towards Brunell. I do, even though I would prefer he yank Brunell and give Ramsey a shot while we're still not mathematically elimated from the playoffs. But, it appears that everyone (but Gibbs) sees Brunell as mostly ineffective. Yes, it's not all his fault, but there's just been too many overthrown/underthrown passes. In any case, I do think Gibbs will turn it around. Here's how I see the rest of our season:

Nov. 7 @Detroit - Skins lose (2-6)(Detroit's angry about loss to Dallas)
Nov. 14 Cincinnati - Skins win (3-6)(even we can beat the Bungals. Hmmm, didn't I say the same about Cleveland)
Nov. 21 @Philadelphia - Skins lose (3-7)(probably out of playoffs)
Nov. 28 @Pittsburgh - skins lose (3-8)(Ramsey's first start, but Steeler's defense too tough for QB with few prior snaps this year)
Dec. 5 NY Giants - skins win (4-8)(Ramsey goes vertical!)
Dec. 12 Philadelphia - skins lose (4-9)(Phily too much)
Dec. 18 @San Francisco - Skins win (5-8)(Ramsey shines)
Dec. 26 @Dallas - Skins win (6-9)(Ramsey beat them before)
Jan. 2 Minnesota - skins win (7-9)(3 game win streak: Hmmm, why didn't we make the switch earlier?)

"Knock him down. He doesn't want to get hit. The plan -- and you can see other teams doing the same thing on film -- is to not let him set his feet. Make him roll out. Hit him enough, and sooner or later it'll mess up his accuracy. He's not the same quarterback he used to be. Look, I played against him in Jacksonville, and he was a very, very accurate passer. But in the pocket now, his passes sail. He has to roll out now; maybe he sees his receivers better. I don't know if he's as comfortable in this offense or what. But he's not the same quarterback."

Packers safety Darren Sharper.

SmootSmack · 11-01-2004, 07:35 PM

Fair assessment, but what about us beating the Lions because we're angry about the loss to Green Bay?

Tahoe Skin · 11-02-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

Fair assessment, but what about us beating the Lions because we're angry about the loss to Green Bay?

The Detroit and the Dallas games are the one I was torn between. It came down to Detroit having the home field advantage, and the better QB.

MTK · 11-01-2004, 07:59 PM

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"Knock him down. He doesn't want to get hit. The plan -- and you can see other teams doing the same thing on film -- is to not let him set his feet. Make him roll out. Hit him enough, and sooner or later it'll mess up his accuracy."

Sounds like the gameplan for any QB in the league, no?

Tahoe Skin · 11-02-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sounds like the gameplan for any QB in the league, no?

Fair enough. But the fact is I'm not sure what is said in the locker room. I do know they say that about Warner. Do they say that about Favre, Donovan, McNair, Manning to name just a few. I don't think so. They didn't used to say that about Patrick Ramsey either. In fact, the opposition would usually marvel at how tough Ramsey was in the pocket.

My point was that it was interesting to hear the opposition say (probably after reviewing tape) that our QB has a tendency to be rattled. I would not discount that, especially when it's said AFTER the game.

illdefined · 11-01-2004, 08:02 PM

well some QBs feast on the blitz. they are either more mobile than Brunell, or quick enough to read and throw ACCURATELY enough to get it to an open safety valve.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-01-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tahoe Skin

Nov. 7 @Detroit - Skins lose (2-6)(Detroit's angry about loss to Dallas)
Nov. 14 Cincinnati - Skins win (3-6)(even we can beat the Bungals. Hmmm, didn't I say the same about Cleveland)
Nov. 21 @Philadelphia - Skins lose (3-7)(probably out of playoffs)
Nov. 28 @Pittsburgh - skins lose (3-8)(Ramsey's first start, but Steeler's defense too tough for QB with few prior snaps this year)
Dec. 5 NY Giants - skins win (4-8)(Ramsey goes vertical!)
Dec. 12 Philadelphia - skins lose (4-9)(Phily too much)
Dec. 18 @San Francisco - Skins win (5-8)(Ramsey shines)
Dec. 26 @Dallas - Skins win (6-9)(Ramsey beat them before)
Jan. 2 Minnesota - skins win (7-9)(3 game win streak: Hmmm, why didn't we make the switch earlier?)

We are going to knock the snot out of Detroit. 3-5
We are going to beat the Bengals. 4-5
We lose to Philly 4-6
We lose to Pittsburgh 4-7
We lose to NY 4-8
We lose to Philly 4-9
We beat San Fran 5-9
We lose to Dallas 5-10
We lose to Minnesota 5-11

Top 5 pick, here we come!

Tahoe Skin · 11-02-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

We are going to knock the snot out of Detroit. 3-5
We are going to beat the Bengals. 4-5
We lose to Philly 4-6
We lose to Pittsburgh 4-7
We lose to NY 4-8
We lose to Philly 4-9
We beat San Fran 5-9
We lose to Dallas 5-10
We lose to Minnesota 5-11

Top 5 pick, here we come!

Actually, 5-11 is what my first stab looked like, but I thought Ramsey was worth a couple of extra wins. But I can't disagree with you. 5-11 would not surprise me.

Big C · 11-01-2004, 08:22 PM

maybe...

SmootSmack · 11-01-2004, 08:29 PM

"Make him roll out" is interesting because this article gives the impression that it's the Redskins plan to have Brunell out of the pocket, not the opponents'.

Tahoe Skin · 11-02-2004, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

"Make him roll out" is interesting because this article gives the impression that it's the Redskins plan to have Brunell out of the pocket, not the opponents'.

I think it's both.

skins009 · 11-01-2004, 08:30 PM

Try this on for size. Gibbs decides to see the light and go with Ramsey. Ramsey starts and while not a superstar gives the minor spark needed to let the offense take off. Ramsey hits on multiple deep passes and intermediate routes. Teams no longer able to stack the box drop back. Portis gets the ball and runs all over the defense. Teams not wanting to get run all over bring a safety into the box. Ramsey goes playaction and hits a deep pass for a TD.

This is all theoritical, but its clear to me and everybody else that Brunnel isn't the future. We should let Ramsey a shot, if he fully knows the offense.

Tahoe Skin · 11-02-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by skins009

We should let Ramsey a shot, if he fully knows the offense.

That's what I thought back in game 2 against Dallas game Brunell kept missing people. What a horrible night that was.

illdefined · 11-01-2004, 08:40 PM

ugh, i give up. give Brunell ONE MORE HALF. if he misses another open receiver, try Ramsey, nothing to lose now, lets get Ramsey's bad habits out this season.

whatever you guys say about Brunell, he hasn't thrown a ball directly to an opposing defender. you've been spoiled and forgotten how often that happened with Ramsey..

NY_Skinsfan · 11-02-2004, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

ugh, i give up. give Brunell ONE MORE HALF. if he misses another open receiver, try Ramsey, nothing to lose now, lets get Ramsey's bad habits out this season.

whatever you guys say about Brunell, he hasn't thrown a ball directly to an opposing defender. you've been spoiled and forgotten how often that happened with Ramsey..

Huh, I'm confused are you for or against Ramsey playing. And also, how often did Ramsey throw directly to an opposing defender? Well, if you are refering to the Giants game, I think I am going to shoot myself. Why the hell do people keep using one bad half of a game to show what Ramsey can do?

11-01-2004, 07:29 PM	#1
Tahoe Skin Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 100	Optimistic View You have to admire Gibbs' stubborn dedication towards Brunell. I do, even though I would prefer he yank Brunell and give Ramsey a shot while we're still not mathematically elimated from the playoffs. But, it appears that everyone (but Gibbs) sees Brunell as mostly ineffective. Yes, it's not all his fault, but there's just been too many overthrown/underthrown passes. In any case, I do think Gibbs will turn it around. Here's how I see the rest of our season: Nov. 7 @Detroit - Skins lose (2-6)(Detroit's angry about loss to Dallas) Nov. 14 Cincinnati - Skins win (3-6)(even we can beat the Bungals. Hmmm, didn't I say the same about Cleveland) Nov. 21 @Philadelphia - Skins lose (3-7)(probably out of playoffs) Nov. 28 @Pittsburgh - skins lose (3-8)(Ramsey's first start, but Steeler's defense too tough for QB with few prior snaps this year) Dec. 5 NY Giants - skins win (4-8)(Ramsey goes vertical!) Dec. 12 Philadelphia - skins lose (4-9)(Phily too much) Dec. 18 @San Francisco - Skins win (5-8)(Ramsey shines) Dec. 26 @Dallas - Skins win (6-9)(Ramsey beat them before) Jan. 2 Minnesota - skins win (7-9)(3 game win streak: Hmmm, why didn't we make the switch earlier?) "Knock him down. He doesn't want to get hit. The plan -- and you can see other teams doing the same thing on film -- is to not let him set his feet. Make him roll out. Hit him enough, and sooner or later it'll mess up his accuracy. He's not the same quarterback he used to be. Look, I played against him in Jacksonville, and he was a very, very accurate passer. But in the pocket now, his passes sail. He has to roll out now; maybe he sees his receivers better. I don't know if he's as comfortable in this offense or what. But he's not the same quarterback." Packers safety Darren Sharper.

11-01-2004, 07:35 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Fair assessment, but what about us beating the Lions because we're angry about the loss to Green Bay? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-01-2004, 08:22 PM	#9
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	maybe... __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

11-01-2004, 08:29 PM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	"Make him roll out" is interesting because this article gives the impression that it's the Redskins plan to have Brunell out of the pocket, not the opponents'. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-01-2004, 08:02 PM	#6
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	well some QBs feast on the blitz. they are either more mobile than Brunell, or quick enough to read and throw ACCURATELY enough to get it to an open safety valve.

11-01-2004, 08:30 PM	#12
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Try this on for size. Gibbs decides to see the light and go with Ramsey. Ramsey starts and while not a superstar gives the minor spark needed to let the offense take off. Ramsey hits on multiple deep passes and intermediate routes. Teams no longer able to stack the box drop back. Portis gets the ball and runs all over the defense. Teams not wanting to get run all over bring a safety into the box. Ramsey goes playaction and hits a deep pass for a TD. This is all theoritical, but its clear to me and everybody else that Brunnel isn't the future. We should let Ramsey a shot, if he fully knows the offense.

11-01-2004, 08:40 PM	#14
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	ugh, i give up. give Brunell ONE MORE HALF. if he misses another open receiver, try Ramsey, nothing to lose now, lets get Ramsey's bad habits out this season. whatever you guys say about Brunell, he hasn't thrown a ball directly to an opposing defender. you've been spoiled and forgotten how often that happened with Ramsey..

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