Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos

CRedskinsRule · 07-30-2010, 03:53 PM

So the Denver Post has an interesting Shanny article which includes a poll about which team will do better this year. When I voted about 37% said Shanny's Skins will do better. I thought that was crazy low, although another 18% said both will be about the same. Here's the link:

Who'll be better? Shanahan's Redskins or McDaniels' Broncos? - The Denver Post

Monkeydad · 07-30-2010, 04:24 PM

44.91% Denver
34.73% Skins

Of course, this is a Denver paper, but that's a joke to think Denver will be better. But, I suppose it's telling that it's THIS close on a Denver site. Their local readers don't seem very confident in their team this year.

McDaniels will be this year's Zorn. He finished last year just like Zorn finished year #1 and I expect year #2 to be about the same.

With Orton, Quinn and a big question mark with Tebow at QB...that's not very good.

They should just start Tebow from week 1 and hope he overachieves. The other two QB options won't carry them far, especially in a division where Oakland and KC will be improved and SD will still be solid.

Last place for the Broncos.

Monkeydad · 01-06-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

McDaniels will be this year's Zorn. He finished last year just like Zorn finished year #1 and I expect year #2 to be about the same.

Last place for the Broncos.

I'm on fire. Won the Pick'em league...now this.

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Originally Posted by saden1

A few years ago I played in a pick'em fantasy league and I picked the Skins to win every week...it didn't work out so well for me.

I picked the Skins 16 times and still won by a comfortable margin. It can be done if you're good like me. :cheeky-sm

saden1 · 07-30-2010, 04:27 PM

They have a year under the same system...their d and qb isnt as good but I'll give them the edge.

CRedskinsRule · 07-30-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

They have a year under the same system...their d and qb isnt as good but I'll give them the edge.

How did that year under the same system work for Zorn?
It's unlikely that they are going to do anything more than 8-8, and I would be shocked if they get there. In what universe does getting rid of your best 3 offensive weapons(QB, WR, TE), losing your starting LT (not McD's fault) and changing D coordinators (the one bright spot from last year) lead to a better team?

SirClintonPortis · 07-30-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How did that year under the same system work for Zorn?
It's unlikely that they are going to do anything more than 8-8, and I would be shocked if they get there. In what universe does getting rid of your best 3 offensive weapons(QB, WR, TE), losing your starting LT (not McD's fault) and changing D coordinators (the one bright spot from last year) lead to a better team?

Zorn's system and approach to offense was bad from the bottom up. McDaniels at least oversaw the offense in New England, which was quite good.

saden1 · 07-30-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How did that year under the same system work for Zorn?
It's unlikely that they are going to do anything more than 8-8, and I would be shocked if they get there. In what universe does getting rid of your best 3 offensive weapons(QB, WR, TE), losing your starting LT (not McD's fault) and changing D coordinators (the one bright spot from last year) lead to a better team?

Obviously if he is anything like Zorn they will suck balls but who is to say Shanny won't suck balls his first year as a coach or have an eh season like his last few mediocre seasons? I think we have just as much changes as they do. Whether these changes are positive or negative I don't know. They play in a very weak division too...Raiders and Chiefs twice is a plus as are games against the NFC West. We will know after the season but I wouldn't bet on us having a better record.

CRedskinsRule · 07-30-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Obviously if he is anything like Zorn they will suck balls but who is to say Shanny won't suck balls his first year as a coach or his last few mediocre seasons? I think we have just as much changes as they do. Whether these changes are positive or negative I don't know. They play in a very weak conference too...Raiders and Chiefs twice is a plus as are games against the NFC West. We will know after the season but I wouldn't bet on us having a better record.

This is the strongest argument for them doing better. I think nearly every position change they had was a push or for the worse. I think ours have either been a push or for the better.

Mostly I think it is an interesting discussion, but as was said the article didn't live up to the idea.

I will still say we will have an equal or better record then Denver.

saden1 · 07-30-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This is the strongest argument for them doing better. I think nearly every position change they had was a push or for the worse. I think ours have either been a push or for the better.

Mostly I think it is an interesting discussion, but as was said the article didn't live up to the idea.

I will still say we will have an equal or better record then Denver.

It is the best argument and one in which I based giving an edge to them...too many unknowns but if I had to bet i'd bet on them having a better record.

rbanerjee23 · 07-30-2010, 04:30 PM

Yeah, I think the defense early on in the year kind of surprised everyone and masked Orton's faults but I don't know that KO is even a backup on half the teams in the league

Monkeydad · 07-30-2010, 04:31 PM

Seriously, are you really a Skins fan, Saden? You always seem so pessimistic. The Donkeys are HORRIBLE. Their fast start last season made their record look a lot better than they really were.

Did you forget they also lost Marshall? I don't see McDaniels being a very successful head coach in the NFL.

saden1 · 07-30-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Seriously, are you really a Skins fan, Saden? You always seem so pessimistic. The Donkeys are HORRIBLE. Their fast start last season made their record look a lot better than they really were.

Did you forget they also lost Marshall? I don't see McDaniels being a very successful head coach in the NFL.

A few years ago I played in a pick'em fantasy league and I picked the Skins to win every week...it didn't work out so well for me.

SirClintonPortis · 07-30-2010, 04:35 PM

I choose the Skins because the Skins will finally have a legit offense and a pressurizing defense. I also believe that the Skins will play many COMPLETE GAMES with all the improved conditioning they have had.

That said, I don't think the Broncos will be 4-12 terrible but will rather hover around 7-9.

Monkeydad · 07-30-2010, 04:38 PM

Yeah, but he can't get away with the video cameras anymore.

Charlie Weis was a Belichick understudy too. Ask any ND fans how that resume line helped on the field.

Schneed10 · 07-30-2010, 04:39 PM

Without Brandon Marshall I don't see them doing all that much. Of course we're going through so much change here, you can't really say we're a juggernaut just yet either.

But it's not an apples to apples comparison. The question is how will we do in our second year under Shanahan compared to McDaniels' second year with the Broncos. Still nobody knows, but I'd bet on us simply because McNabb > Orton or Tebow.

07-30-2010, 04:27 PM	#4
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos They have a year under the same system...their d and qb isnt as good but I'll give them the edge. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

07-30-2010, 04:30 PM	#10
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos Yeah, I think the defense early on in the year kind of surprised everyone and masked Orton's faults but I don't know that KO is even a backup on half the teams in the league __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

07-30-2010, 04:31 PM	#11
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos Seriously, are you really a Skins fan, Saden? You always seem so pessimistic. The Donkeys are HORRIBLE. Their fast start last season made their record look a lot better than they really were. Did you forget they also lost Marshall? I don't see McDaniels being a very successful head coach in the NFL. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

07-30-2010, 04:35 PM	#13
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos I choose the Skins because the Skins will finally have a legit offense and a pressurizing defense. I also believe that the Skins will play many COMPLETE GAMES with all the improved conditioning they have had. That said, I don't think the Broncos will be 4-12 terrible but will rather hover around 7-9. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

07-30-2010, 04:38 PM	#14
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos Yeah, but he can't get away with the video cameras anymore. Charlie Weis was a Belichick understudy too. Ask any ND fans how that resume line helped on the field. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

07-30-2010, 03:53 PM	#1
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,456	Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos So the Denver Post has an interesting Shanny article which includes a poll about which team will do better this year. When I voted about 37% said Shanny's Skins will do better. I thought that was crazy low, although another 18% said both will be about the same. Here's the link: Who'll be better? Shanahan's Redskins or McDaniels' Broncos? - The Denver Post

07-30-2010, 04:24 PM	#2
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos 44.91% Denver 34.73% Skins Of course, this is a Denver paper, but that's a joke to think Denver will be better. But, I suppose it's telling that it's THIS close on a Denver site. Their local readers don't seem very confident in their team this year. McDaniels will be this year's Zorn. He finished last year just like Zorn finished year #1 and I expect year #2 to be about the same. With Orton, Quinn and a big question mark with Tebow at QB...that's not very good. They should just start Tebow from week 1 and hope he overachieves. The other two QB options won't carry them far, especially in a division where Oakland and KC will be improved and SD will still be solid. Last place for the Broncos. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster

07-30-2010, 04:39 PM	#15
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,427	Re: Shanny Skins vs McD's Broncos Without Brandon Marshall I don't see them doing all that much. Of course we're going through so much change here, you can't really say we're a juggernaut just yet either. But it's not an apples to apples comparison. The question is how will we do in our second year under Shanahan compared to McDaniels' second year with the Broncos. Still nobody knows, but I'd bet on us simply because McNabb > Orton or Tebow. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

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