Pluses and Minuses: Bills vs Redskins

[saden1]

Pluses:

1. Obviously my boy Banks. He has get up...the kind we haven't seen and we desperately need to make not-so-special special team. And of course it doesn't hurt when the head coach praises your ability as a receiver during the post game conference.
2. Quickness of offensive line. I have never seen our offensive line move as fast. From quick snaps to their movements to the tempo of the entire offense.
3. Play calling was excellent despite the fact that it was a pre-season game. I was worried about K. Shanahan knowing what he is doing.

Minuses:

1. I wasn't too pleased with the first team defense but I'm sure it will get better once Albert is plugged-in. Run defense looked ugly and that's all I'm going to say about that.
2. I have zero confidence in Carter's ability to play outside linebacker.
3. Kelley is a gonner. I don't see what he brings to the table and I really can't justify him being on the team.
4. Roger still sucks...if the Bills had a decent QB he would have given up a TD.

Anything you guys want to add?

[BleedBurgundy]

Agreed on all counts. Did Kelly even play? I didn't notice him in the game at all, but I fell asleep midway through the 3rd quarter.

[SirClintonPortis]

Pluses:
Trent Williams. Been a long time since I've a pass rusher more than adequately stoned and on a consistent basis. Samuels was good until the end but he was on the decline since his knee was acting up on him almost every week.

Albert Haynesworth. Still needs a little discipline, but showing that he can take on the double teams and get penetration easily against the scrub Bills o-line. Also avoided a spectacle when the Bills player (deliberately or accidentally?) went after his knees.

McNabb - speaks for himself. Makes up for a bad series with a good one.

Sexy Rexy - Shows that he can be a competent backup.

CP - runs hard and quick.

Minuses
Last string o-linemen. Not as absolute terrible as the gold standard of turrible, D'Anthony Batiste, but they do not inspire confidence in the least.

Last string defense. Gashed by runs on numerous occasions. I know Rob Jackson was responsible for one of those.

Sexy Rexy - Shows that he too much of a gambler to call upon extended duty.

CP- Still runs "blind" sometimes.

Mystery
Ryan Torain - Runs upright and seemingly clumsily yet still managed big gains.

[wilsowilso]

Kelly has a hamstring injury people.

He didn't play in the game.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Kelly has a hamstring injury people.

He didn't play in the game.

IMO he's a roster longshot at this point. Even when he's healthy enough to play, I think he's gonna be pretty out of shape.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GMScud

IMO he's a roster longshot at this point. Even when he's healthy enough to play, I think he's gonna be pretty out of shape.

Have to agree at this point. Too many intriguing newbies at the WR position for him to survive. He has to step it up bigtime or he is gone.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

IMO he's a roster longshot at this point. Even when he's healthy enough to play, I think he's gonna be pretty out of shape.

I think coach really WANTS to keep Kelly on the roster, but honestly, if he doesn't show well in the preseason (or more accurately, show at all), I do not think he makes it out of camp to the 53 man roster.

Kelly's the kind of guy who will get a legit shot elsewhere in 2011, but we wouldn't be wrong to finally give up on a guy who can't keep himself on the field.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think coach really WANTS to keep Kelly on the roster, but honestly, if he doesn't show well in the preseason (or more accurately, show at all), I do not think he makes it out of camp to the 53 man roster.

Kelly's the kind of guy who will get a legit shot elsewhere in 2011, but we wouldn't be wrong to finally give up on a guy who can't keep himself on the field.

I really would like to see him stick around, but he's going to have to work extremely hard and show once he returns to practice. Hopefully he'll have some opportunities in the next three preseason games to convince coaches he deserves a roster spot. There's a little saying they have going now.....you can't make the club if you're always in the tub.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I really would like to see him stick around, but he's going to have to work extremely hard and show once he returns to practice. Hopefully he'll have some opportunities in the next three preseason games to convince coaches he deserves a roster spot. There's a little saying they have going now.....you can't make the club if you're always in the tub.

Exactly. Time to cut bait and accept that draft pick as busted. Sucks, but the longer we have him around, the longer one of our other WR's don't know their role on this team. Cut him loose, and solidify our WR corps soon, and let them battle it out for the spots, knowing they will be on the squad, and let them build a rapport with each other. Having dead injured bodies in there does nothing but take time away from other suitable prospects and also takes time away from the trainers that they could be using for another guy that isn't gonna be cut in the end.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think coach really WANTS to keep Kelly on the roster, but honestly, if he doesn't show well in the preseason (or more accurately, show at all), I do not think he makes it out of camp to the 53 man roster.

Kelly's the kind of guy who will get a legit shot elsewhere in 2011, but we wouldn't be wrong to finally give up on a guy who can't keep himself on the field.

Agreed fully... could IR him I guess if wanting to keep him around

[skinsfaninok]

^ story of his NFL career. Time to cut him loose

[Defensewins]

My Notables:

1) Second Team defense, in particular the front seven looked as good or better than First team. We should have quality depth. Redskins and depth? Say it ain't so!

2) DL- Kemoeatu, Carriker, Haynesworth, Daniels and Holliday played strong and solid. These guys are huge in size combined with their solid technique and play. Great to see our D-lineman playing with great technique again, they were penetrating and keeping blockers at bay. Golsten did a ok job, but his days as the starter might be numbered.

3) LB - Orakpo and Fletcher look great. Carter and McIntosh not so good, they might need more time to get comfortable. Not giving up on them just yet. The good thing is 2nd teamers Lorenzo Alexander, Perry Riley and HB Blades all showed promise.
I would like to see the lineup of OLB's Orakpo and Alexander and ILB's Fletcher and Riley play together. Throw in Haynesworth for Golsten and we might have something special.

4) Rb's -- Wow! What a surprise. Shanahan and Allen brought in some players.

5) WR's - Same as 4 above.

6) QB's - McNabb looked good for the short time we saw him. McNabb to Cooley might be heard a lot this year. Rexy had a mostly positive day except the for the two sure interception/pick 6 throws that landed in the DB's hands and they dropped it.

This was the Bills, possibly one of the worst teams in the NFL in 2010 and we need to temper this win and continue to improve.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This was the Bills, possibly one of the worst teams in the NFL in 2010 and we need to temper this win and continue to improve.

And that's what everyone needs to remember before they start chugging the Kool-Aid. We looked very solid in preseason game #1 against a downright awful team. I'm happy about the outcome, don't get me wrong, but I'm already over it and looking forward.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

And that's what everyone needs to remember before they start chugging the Kool-Aid. We looked very solid in preseason game #1 against a downright awful team. I'm happy about the outcome, don't get me wrong, but I'm already over it and looking forward.

That just about sums it up. There were a few noteworthy performances which was good for the first preseason game. Next weeks opponent will provide more of a challenge towards determining where the team needs to improve. Not diminishing the performance against the Bills, it's just difficult to guage where you really are against a team like that.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

That just about sums it up. There were a few noteworthy performances which was good for the first preseason game. Next weeks opponent will provide more of a challenge towards determining where the team needs to improve. Not diminishing the performance against the Bills, it's just difficult to guage where you really are against a team like that.

Preseason game #3 vs. the Jets when the starters will play a lot of the game... now that will be a serious test. Especially for our offense. Their D is lights out, even without Revis. I'd love to cram a win down Rex Ryan's big fat pie hole.