Suspect Safety Play

skinzfan44 · 09-20-2010, 10:20 AM

Does anyone else see that Reed Doughty is a defensive liability?

Chico23231 · 09-20-2010, 10:35 AM

^understatement of the year

MTK · 09-20-2010, 10:40 AM

So when Moore comes back, does he solve all our problems or will he be the next goat?

skinzfan44 · 09-20-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

So when Moore comes back, does he solve all our problems or will he be the next goat?

I see where you're going....

Chico23231 · 09-20-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

So when Moore comes back, does he solve all our problems or will he be the next goat?

I know he doesnt solve all our problems, but he is an upgrade at the very least. All I heard all camp was this guy is stepping up and making plays and at the free position you flat out need a better athlete than Reed.

FRPLG · 09-20-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

So when Moore comes back, does he solve all our problems or will he be the next goat?

Are you arguing that he doesn't suck?

MTK · 09-20-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Are you arguing that he doesn't suck?

He's clearly not our only issue. And I don't think he's as bad as some are trying to make him out to be.

I hope Moore is the magic cure as some seem to think. I really do.

freddyg12 · 09-20-2010, 12:32 PM

K. Moore has shown some ability when he's played, I've always felt he was the best FS on the team. He is better in coverage than Doughty.

Let's not jump all over Doughty though (no pun intended). That 4th & 10 play was a great one by AJ. Buchanon didn't stay w/AJ cause it looked like they were playing zone/ cover 2 & the safety had over the top coverage. It actually looked like the coverage was executed almost perfectly.

Carlos Rogers seemed to think that every time a completion was made near him that someone else was responsible for coverage there. It was pretty easy for Schaub on a lot of plays, on others he threw tight into coverage & got completions.

This zone scheme left a lot of holes open, just as it did last week (e.g. Austin's 31 yrder on 4th & 10). I don't attribute it to the safeties, it looks like the whole system isn't working. Could be just a matter of time & learning it, or maybe there's a reason Haslett's defenses have given up a lot of yards in the past?

30gut · 09-21-2010, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

This zone scheme left a lot of holes open, just as it did last week (e.g. Austin's 31 yrder on 4th & 10). I don't attribute it to the safeties, it looks like the whole system isn't working. Could be just a matter of time & learning it, or maybe there's a reason Haslett's defenses have given up a lot of yards in the past?

It seems as if our blitz concepts are more thought out then our coverage concepts.
Although i'm a big time advocate of pressure backed up by zone as a way to generatr QB mistakes you have to change it and disguise the coverages we just can't sit back and alterante between Cover 2/Cover 3 zone unless we're creating ungodly pressure (which we're not). We need to through in some man coverages, some cloud coverages etc.

tryfuhl · 09-21-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

So when Moore comes back, does he solve all our problems or will he be the next goat?

for some reason you're blindly apologizing for Reed

I like the guy, love his attitude

hell his positioning on the one play was pretty solid

he's been a step behind in both games so far and I'm not sure how anyone could argue that

rbanerjee23 · 09-20-2010, 10:50 AM

Lots of investments need to be made in the defensive secondary. They are great at doing everything but their most basic assignment -- coverage.

vallin21 · 09-20-2010, 10:52 AM

IMO Moore is an average NFL FS, but we'll see. Regardless, FS should be a main priority in the off-season.

12thMan · 09-20-2010, 10:52 AM

Why do people think that Kareem Moore is the second coming of Ed Reed. Folks, he's a starter, but not a huge upgrade.

Alvin Walton · 09-20-2010, 11:06 AM

Moore hasn't proven anything yet, he is what he is because of a spot he won in training camp and preseason. Our safetys are all mostly still Vinny guys. Doughty is on the field because thats all we have. Its going to take a couple more years to finish cleaning up after him.

30gut · 09-20-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by skinzfan44

Does anyone else see that Reed Doughty is a defensive liability?

I'm sure some people do but not me.
You can't be mad at Doughty on the 4th and 10 play.
Andre Johnson wins that jumpball matchup against any DB in the league.
My question is why didn't Buchanon stay with Andre?
It kinda negates the purpose of a double team if the other DB drops coverage.

Now they have to go back and re-examine the coverage and what the HECK was Buchanon thinking!

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freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Suspect Safety Play K. Moore has shown some ability when he's played, I've always felt he was the best FS on the team. He is better in coverage than Doughty. Let's not jump all over Doughty though (no pun intended). That 4th & 10 play was a great one by AJ. Buchanon didn't stay w/AJ cause it looked like they were playing zone/ cover 2 & the safety had over the top coverage. It actually looked like the coverage was executed almost perfectly. Carlos Rogers seemed to think that every time a completion was made near him that someone else was responsible for coverage there. It was pretty easy for Schaub on a lot of plays, on others he threw tight into coverage & got completions. This zone scheme left a lot of holes open, just as it did last week (e.g. Austin's 31 yrder on 4th & 10). I don't attribute it to the safeties, it looks like the whole system isn't working. Could be just a matter of time & learning it, or maybe there's a reason Haslett's defenses have given up a lot of yards in the past?

09-20-2010, 10:50 AM	#11
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: Suspect Safety Play Lots of investments need to be made in the defensive secondary. They are great at doing everything but their most basic assignment -- coverage. __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

09-20-2010, 10:52 AM	#12
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,177	Re: Suspect Safety Play IMO Moore is an average NFL FS, but we'll see. Regardless, FS should be a main priority in the off-season.

09-20-2010, 10:52 AM	#13
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Suspect Safety Play Why do people think that Kareem Moore is the second coming of Ed Reed. Folks, he's a starter, but not a huge upgrade.

09-20-2010, 11:06 AM	#14
Alvin Walton Pro Bowl Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 5,741	Re: Suspect Safety Play Moore hasn't proven anything yet, he is what he is because of a spot he won in training camp and preseason. Our safetys are all mostly still Vinny guys. Doughty is on the field because thats all we have. Its going to take a couple more years to finish cleaning up after him. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968

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