Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down!

MTK · 09-20-2010, 04:33 PM

I'm kinda getting tired of hearing the Doughty bashing, so let's look at some of the other guys who helped contribute to the 17 point collapse. I think SS is out of town so I'm going to pick up the slack.

Fred Davis - Lazy effort on the blocked FG.

Jammal Brown - Jumped offsides on a 3rd and 1, which ending up leading to the blocked FG. Gotta really wonder what happens if we convert the 1st down there and maybe go in for 6.

Jim Haslett - I understand he wants to be aggressive and while I like that, Schaub was just picking the zones apart. How about mixing things up just a bit and dialing back on the blitzing just a tad?

Larry Johnson - You're not Barry Sanders. When it doubt, give someone the shoulder and go down. You had no business cutting back and trying to pull off a Marcus Allen miracle run.

Stephon Heyer - Thanks for proving again why you're not starting material.

Anyone else deserve to be on the shit list?

Slingin Sammy 33 · 09-20-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm kinda getting tired of hearing the Doughty bashing, so let's look at some of the other guys who helped contribute to the 17 point collapse. I think SS is out of town so I'm going to pick up the slack.

Fred Davis - Lazy effort on the blocked FG.

Jammal Brown - Jumped offsides on a 3rd and 1, which ending up leading to the blocked FG. Gotta really wonder what happens if we convert the 1st down there and maybe go in for 6.

Jim Haslett - I understand he wants to be aggressive and while I like that, Schaub was just picking the zones apart. How about mixing things up just a bit and dialing back on the blitzing just a tad?

Larry Johnson - You're not Barry Sanders. When it doubt, give someone the shoulder and go down. You had no business cutting back and trying to pull off a Marcus Allen miracle run.

Stephon Heyer - Thanks for proving again why you're not starting material.

Anyone else deserve to be on the shit list?

Kyle Shanahan.

Ruhskins · 09-20-2010, 04:38 PM

Phillip Buchanon, good job in leaving the NFL's best receiver on an island against our 2nd string Free Safety. Oh and be sure to thank Doughty for taking all the blame.

Casey Rabach, please tell the coaches that you are not that good anymore so they can replace you. They seem to think you are a great player for some reason.

Jammal Brown (again) WTF were you thinking?!?!

Lotus · 09-20-2010, 04:59 PM

Kyle Shanahan - mostly awesome, but the end around was a head-scratcher of a call

Chris Horton - really bad job with jumping offsides

Haslett - on 4th and ten, you make sure that either DHall or Los are at least on the same side of the field as Andre Johnson

every OLB - eventually don't you learn that Schaub might be faking the handoff and bootlegging?

Devin Thomas - why aren't you so good that you force Shanahan to play you more at WR?

Kindoy · 09-20-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Phillip Buchanon, good job in leaving the NFL's best receiver on an island against our 2nd string Free Safety. Oh and be sure to thank Doughty for taking all the blame.

Casey Rabach, please tell the coaches that you are not that good anymore so they can replace you. They seem to think you are a great player for some reason.

Jammal Brown (again) WTF were you thinking?!?!

not that i'm defending him, but if he was supposed to pass him off to the safety then i don't see how he did anything wrong. he could have been checking back to watch the underneath routes that may have given them a first. however, he was pretty far down field to stop that, and at some point he has to make a football play and get his hand in there.

Defensewins · 09-20-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kindoy

not that i'm defending him, but if he was supposed to pass him off to the safety then i don't see how he did anything wrong. he could have been checking back to watch the underneath routes that may have given them a first. however, he was pretty far down field to stop that, and at some point he has to make a football play and get his hand in there.

I agree to a certain point. One of the things that drives me crazy in a zone cover defense is you need to be very careful when handing off a receiver in the critical 4 to 10 second mark of a pass play. Most smart QB's on a pass play will not hold onto a ball any more than that amount of time and most will deliver the pass in that window.
Why release a receiver in that time span to cover an empty zone? I would rather you stay on a receiver than break off to an empty zone. Plus I would rather a reciever be open underneath than let one loose deep. DB's have to be smart enough and use their own discretion form time to time in a zone. Don't be a robot, use your brain and think.

Kindoy · 09-21-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree to a certain point. One of the things that drives me crazy in a zone cover defense is you need to be very careful when handing off a receiver in the critical 4 to 10 second mark of a pass play. Most smart QB's on a pass play will not hold onto a ball any more than that amount of time and most will deliver the pass in that window.
Why release a receiver in that time span to cover an empty zone? I would rather you stay on a receiver than break off to an empty zone. Plus I would rather a reciever be open underneath than let one loose deep. DB's have to be smart enough and use their own discretion form time to time in a zone. Don't be a robot, use your brain and think.

no i totally agree with you, i said he should've made a football play and stayed with johnson... i think that second he took his eyes off andre to check that zone is when we got beat. he should've known that no NFL route takes over 4 seconds to develop and stayed with andre...

firstdown · 09-20-2010, 04:57 PM

McNabb for only tossing for 400 and some yards and not 500 like the oter guy. The kicker for getting iced. That's such a gay thing to do.

diehard · 09-20-2010, 04:59 PM

Haslett. Play to the strength of your personnel and mask their weaknesses. All of the guys in the preceding posts are off the hook if we played more man and cover 3 zone, period.

Player_HTTR · 09-20-2010, 05:01 PM

Good job MattyK, I have to agree 110%. I was suprised to see Heyer at LT when TW went down, I thought Brown would go to LT and Heyer play RT.

The O-Line gets a F on Run-Blocking too.

diehard · 09-20-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

Good job MattyK, I have to agree 110%. I was suprised to see Heyer at LT when TW went down, I thought Brown would go to LT and Heyer play RT.

The O-Line gets a F on Run-Blocking too.

And that's Heyer's fault?

Player_HTTR · 09-20-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

And that's Heyer's fault?

Who said it was?

diehard · 09-20-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

Who said it was?

The OP.

Player_HTTR · 09-20-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

The OP.

I thought that was more about Pass blocking and his impersonation of Alex Barron. I thought he was solid on the right side.

MTK · 09-20-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

And that's Heyer's fault?

All I was referring to was Heyer's holding call. I didn't say anything about where he lined up.

09-20-2010, 04:33 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,568	Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down! I'm kinda getting tired of hearing the Doughty bashing, so let's look at some of the other guys who helped contribute to the 17 point collapse. I think SS is out of town so I'm going to pick up the slack. Fred Davis - Lazy effort on the blocked FG. Jammal Brown - Jumped offsides on a 3rd and 1, which ending up leading to the blocked FG. Gotta really wonder what happens if we convert the 1st down there and maybe go in for 6. Jim Haslett - I understand he wants to be aggressive and while I like that, Schaub was just picking the zones apart. How about mixing things up just a bit and dialing back on the blitzing just a tad? Larry Johnson - You're not Barry Sanders. When it doubt, give someone the shoulder and go down. You had no business cutting back and trying to pull off a Marcus Allen miracle run. Stephon Heyer - Thanks for proving again why you're not starting material. Anyone else deserve to be on the shit list? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-20-2010, 04:38 PM	#3
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,347	Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down! Phillip Buchanon, good job in leaving the NFL's best receiver on an island against our 2nd string Free Safety. Oh and be sure to thank Doughty for taking all the blame. Casey Rabach, please tell the coaches that you are not that good anymore so they can replace you. They seem to think you are a great player for some reason. Jammal Brown (again) WTF were you thinking?!?! __________________ R.I.P. #21

09-20-2010, 04:59 PM	#4
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09-20-2010, 04:57 PM	#8
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down! McNabb for only tossing for 400 and some yards and not 500 like the oter guy. The kicker for getting iced. That's such a gay thing to do.

09-20-2010, 04:59 PM	#9
diehard The Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norfolk, Va (OV) Posts: 1,566	Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down! Haslett. Play to the strength of your personnel and mask their weaknesses. All of the guys in the preceding posts are off the hook if we played more man and cover 3 zone, period. __________________ *'Any NFL team will win with RG3. Imagine how exciting it will be watching him do it.'*

09-20-2010, 05:01 PM	#10
Player_HTTR Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 328	Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down! Good job MattyK, I have to agree 110%. I was suprised to see Heyer at LT when TW went down, I thought Brown would go to LT and Heyer play RT. The O-Line gets a F on Run-Blocking too.

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