Another Massive Wiki Leak

[GMScud]

Crazy stuff.

WikiLeaks website hit with 'mass distributed denial of service attack'
US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomatic crisis | World news | The Guardian
FT.com / US / Politics & Foreign policy - US tries to limit WikiLeaks damage
Orders from Clinton: US Diplomats Told to Spy on Other Countries at United Nations - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

There are so many more links. Just a few here....

[mooby]

Apparantly this is quote unquote "the 9/11 of world diplomacy."



Is there anything to be gained by doing this? I mean, yeah it's nice to see a little information revealed on the inner workings of the state department, but you look at the cost, which could be peoples' lives, diplomacy between allies falling to ruins, and at what point do you justify releasing this information to the public? I'd rather not know what's going on within our government if it means keeping peoples' lives safe and keeping relations with foreign countries at peace and in order.

I won't be suprised if the government is doing everything humanly possible to prevent this from happening. The damage has already been done though in my opinion. Now I'm not much for politics, but I do understand the need for sensitive information to be kept secret. The world is a fickle place, and if there were no secrets between any and all countries it would be chaotic.

[CRedskinsRule]

Here is the wikileaks FAQ page, which gives their thoughts on the matter of the releases:

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[Chico23231]

this guy is a totally prick and not helping anyone, i think he will be found soon dead from something "accidental"

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

this guy is a totally prick and not helping anyone, i think he will be found soon dead from something "accidental"

Considering he stated big corporations are his next target (as in the content is already in his possession) I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he has an "accident."

[saden1]

It almost feel like people want him to have an "accident." I wonder if they feel the same way about journalists who expose a big government scandal or whistle-blowers who expose malfeasance.

I am disgusted by the amount of vitriol directed at him and I hope he doesn't have an "accident." Wikileaks isn't just run by Julian Assange, they're a moderate sized operation with lots of volunteers not to mention the fact that big media, including American media, back them with legal issues. Plus the whole operation is distributed so Assanger having an "accident" isn't going to get rid of the problem.

Leak-o-nomy: The Economy ofÂ*Wikileaks (Interview with Julian Assange) | Medien-Ökonomie-Blog

[saden1]

Sunshine is the best disinfectant and anonymity is for cowards and the shady. I hope they keep it up and keep releasing info. And instead of bitching perhaps United States should concentrate on securing their fcking data. If these guys can get it I wonder what the Chinese have.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

Sunshine is the best disinfectant and anonymity is for cowards and the shady. I hope they keep it up and keep releasing info. And instead of bitch perhaps United States should concentrate on securing their fcking data. If these guys can get it I wonder what the Chinese have.

In fact, Iran's president said that this release won't change his country's dealings. Yes that is partially political speak, but fact is they probably already knew any or most of these facts. Only the US citizens are unaware of these type monologues. But the government does like its secrecy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Sunshine is the best disinfectant and anonymity is for cowards and the shady. I hope they keep it up and keep releasing info. And instead of bitching perhaps United States should concentrate on securing their fcking data. If these guys can get it I wonder what the Chinese have.

While I agree to a point would you feel that way if someone found a way to drain your checking and saving accounts?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

While I agree to a point would you feel that way if someone found a way to drain your checking and saving accounts?

I expect my bank account to be secure and so does the law. The law says if I tell my bank I didn't drain my account and that the transaction was fraudulent they are required to deposit all my stolen money back within 10 days.

A fair comparison would be me having 100K under my mattress and it being stolen then bitch about those who stole it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

Sunshine is the best disinfectant and anonymity is for cowards and the shady. I hope they keep it up and keep releasing info. And instead of bitching perhaps United States should concentrate on securing their fcking data. If these guys can get it I wonder what the Chinese have.

I mean nobody should be surprised at any of the info in the leaks. Hell yes we do shady shit all the time as a country. Now we just have less deniability.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Sunshine is the best disinfectant and anonymity is for cowards and the shady. I hope they keep it up and keep releasing info.

I assume you don't have anyone close to you working in the State Dept. and stationed overseas. I will also assume you don't care about the safety and well being of our sources that are in unfriendly foregin gov'ts that may suddenly "disappear" once this information is made public. This is a devastating blow to our HUMINT capabilities. Potential contacts we could gather valuable info from will be much more reluctant to talk for fear of being outed. Keep in mind Bill Clinton's scaling back of our HUMINT capabilities and politcal fear to take out Bin Laden was a major contributing factor to 9/11.

I applaud Hillary for tasking our diplomats with aggressive HUMINT gathering. These WikiLeaks idiots will have blood on their hands within days/weeks of this info being released. I hope they meet the same fate as any of our sources who "disappear".

And instead of bitching perhaps United States should concentrate on securing their fcking data. If these guys can get it I wonder what the Chinese have.

The place you can never secure 100% is from inside access to information. To get a more secure environment we would need to implement far more rigorous background screenings for military and intelligence personnel and also enforce harsh punishments for offenders; such as being charged with treason and life imprisonment without pardon or parole.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I assume you don't have anyone close to you working in the State Dept. and stationed overseas. I will also assume you don't care about the safety and well being of our sources that are in unfriendly foregin gov'ts that may suddenly "disappear" once this information is made public. This is a devastating blow to our HUMINT capabilities. Potential contacts we could gather valuable info from will be much more reluctant to talk for fear of being outed. Keep in mind Bill Clinton's scaling back of our HUMINT capabilities and politcal fear to take out Bin Laden was a major contributing factor to 9/11.

I applaud Hillary for tasking our diplomats with aggressive HUMINT gathering. These WikiLeaks idiots will have blood on their hands within days/weeks of this info being released. I hope they meet the same fate as any of our sources who "disappear".

The place you can never secure 100% is from inside access to information. To get a more secure environment we would need to implement far more rigorous background screenings for military and intelligence personnel and also enforce harsh punishments for offenders; such as being charged with treason and life imprisonment without pardon or parole.

You assume wrong...my cousin who I am very close to is a field operations director for USAID in Pakistan and Afghanistan right now and has been for the past 5 years. These leaks won't make any difference in her safety. She has previously told me that she's just as likely to die from a helicopter crash as she is from gunfire. Plus wnemies of the United States don't need excuses to kill Americans.

They need to secure their documents and insure their internal staff don't leak information. If they can't they shouldn't be in the business of doing shady shit that if revealed could bring about harm.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

You assume wrong...my cousin who I am very close to is a field operations director for USAID in Pakistan and Afghanistan right now and has been for the past 5 years. These leaks won't make any difference in her safety. She has previously told me that she's just as likely to die from a helicopter crash as she is from gunfire. Plus wnemies of the United States don't need excuses to kill Americans.

They need to secure their documents and insure their internal staff don't leak information. If they can't they shouldn't be in the business of doing shady shit that if revealed could bring about harm.

USAID is U.S. Agency for International Development, and not to say that some of their folks aren't involved with HUMINT activities on the down-low, but they're generally not an intelligence organization. You're correct, these leaks probably will have little to no affect on her safety.

That being said, folks who are in "diplomatic" roles working for State are many times a lot more than that. It's those folks that are in more jeopardy because of these leaks. Best case - some of our sources of info are just shut down temporarily....Worst case - some of our people or inside sources are imprisoned or killed.

You can never secure information 100% from a cleared insider with an axe to grind, and from the few things I've read these leaks may also be attributed to Private Bradley Manning. I worked at NSA for a short time while I was in the AF. Back in the day, this wouldn't have been possible because technology didn't allow for the access to the wide range of data that we have today. The systems were far more stove-piped and compartmentalization of info was much easier.

We have to stay in the business of doing shady shit to stop the folks that have ill-will towards us from doing more shady or murderous shit to us.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

USAID is U.S. Agency for International Development, and not to say that some of their folks aren't involved with HUMINT activities on the down-low, but they're generally not an intelligence organization. You're correct, these leaks probably will have little to no affect on her safety.

That being said, folks who are in "diplomatic" roles working for State are many times a lot more than that. It's those folks that are in more jeopardy because of these leaks. Best case - some of our sources of info are just shut down temporarily....Worst case - some of our people or inside sources are imprisoned or killed.

You can never secure information 100% from a cleared insider with an axe to grind, and from the few things I've read these leaks may also be attributed to Private Bradley Manning. I worked at NSA for a short time while I was in the AF. Back in the day, this wouldn't have been possible because technology didn't allow for the access to the wide range of data that we have today. The systems were far more stove-piped and compartmentalization of info was much easier.

We have to stay in the business of doing shady shit to stop the folks that have ill-will towards us from doing more shady or murderous shit to us.

The danger angle is overplayed and overrated...what we are more likely to lose is trust and credibility. GMScud said it best:

I mean nobody should be surprised at any of the info in the leaks. Hell yes we do shady shit all the time as a country. Now we just have less deniability.