Heath Ramsey is a Moron, I mean Patrick

Brute44 · 12-13-2004, 01:14 AM

Just like last season, he'll break your heart with a bonehead decision.

SmootSmack · 12-13-2004, 01:16 AM

I'd rather not talk about Ramsey right now if you don't mind...he's broken my fragile heart once again.

***can't let them see me cry, must stop typing***

Gmanc711 · 12-13-2004, 01:17 AM

That was a retarded play. No other way to describe it. I'm not gonna crucify him for it, but you cant make that desicon.

joecrisp · 12-13-2004, 01:22 AM

Stupid, stupid, stupid throw...

Even dumber playcall.

They've got 2 timeouts with just under 2 minutes on 1st and 10 at the Eagles 27, down by 3.

Why in the hell do you tell Ramsey to drop back and heave a pass to the endzone?

Ramsey's throw was absolutely horrible, but Gibbs' playcalling in this game was terrible.

SmootSmack · 12-13-2004, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

Stupid, stupid, stupid throw...

Even dumber playcall.

They've got 2 timeouts with just under 2 minutes on 1st and 10 at the Eagles 27, down by 3.

Why in the hell do you tell Ramsey to drop back and heave a pass to the endzone?

Ramsey's throw was absolutely horrible, but Gibbs' playcalling in this game was terrible.

I had thought he was going to pump fake deep and throw underneath.

d151b · 12-13-2004, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

Stupid, stupid, stupid throw...

Even dumber playcall.

They've got 2 timeouts with just under 2 minutes on 1st and 10 at the Eagles 27, down by 3.

Why in the hell do you tell Ramsey to drop back and heave a pass to the endzone?

Ramsey's throw was absolutely horrible, but Gibbs' playcalling in this game was terrible.

couldn't agree more. 1:54 left on the clock we're in good position we've got a first down, we can run some clock as to not give dnabb and t.o. any time to work with.... gibbs playcalling all game has been more conservative than pat robertson and then he makes that playcall.... what the hell?

cpayne5 · 12-13-2004, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brute44

Just like last season, he'll break your heart with a bonehead decision.

Growing pains.

If PR wasn't back there, would we have been that close. I don't think so. Two sides of the fence, and I have a feeling you'd be complaining just as loudly no matter the outcome.

JWsleep · 12-13-2004, 01:43 AM

Did anyone hear the press conference? Gibbs called the play expecting a blitz. It didn't come, so Ramsey had to check out of that throw. He went for it. Ouch.

The philly D is good. They make you look bad, they hide their coverages and their blitzes as well as anyone in the league. They clearly had Gibbs off-balance a number of times in the game. But for all that, if we don't screw OURSELVES with penalties and ints, we win.

PR is learning. Let's see how he plays out the last three games. Winning out, and espcially in Dallas, will ease my pain.

SmootSmack · 12-13-2004, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

Did anyone hear the press conference? Gibbs called the play expecting a blitz. It didn't come, so Ramsey had to check out of that throw. He went for it. Ouch.

The philly D is good. They make you look bad, they hide their coverages and their blitzes as well as anyone in the league. They clearly had Gibbs off-balance a number of times in the game. But for all that, if we don't screw OURSELVES with penalties and ints, we win.

PR is learning. Let's see how he plays out the last three games. Winning out, and espcially in Dallas, will ease my pain.

yeah I had a feeling that was supposed to be just a check off, not an actual throw

hurrykaine · 12-13-2004, 02:34 AM

I'm not particularly disappointed by the loss - few of us expected us to win in the first place. I'm glad we fought our tails off. The most amazing thing about this season has been the lack of dissent and the lack of negative emotions among the players, despite our poor record - credit to Gibbs - probably the best thing Gibbs has managed all year with this team.

Criticize Ramsey all you want, but the fact remains that this loss was all on the offensive coaching staff. Several factors influenced the outcome today - 1. Ramsey's INT, but also,
2. Cooley's drop in the endzone (beautiful pass by PR),
3. the BS interference on Springs,
4. horrible offensive play calling.
5. Terrible O-line play against a D with all starting D linemen out (save an injured Kearse) - what's bugel been teaching these guys?
6. poor clock management.
7. Still very suspect kickoff and punt coverage. The hell is wrong with Hall?

I wasn't around for Gibbs I, but Gibbs II has been a bitter disappointment. Martyball seems more interesting by comparison.

Gibbs has a reputation for being a quick learner and everyone hails his ability to make adjustments and adapt to situations - I hope he makes some drastic alterations this offseason.

1. Start by demoting Don Breaux from Off. coordinator to RB coach or offensive consultant, or deputy assistant head coach. He took too long to get the plays in from the booth upstairs, and he is conservative as hell. Gibbs is conservative enough - we don't need two conservatives responsible for calling the plays.

2. Release Raymer and Trade Samuels for a draft pick, or sign other O-linemen in free agency. Hopefully, Jansen's return shores up the right side of the line, and we won't need to block with an 8 players anymore.

3. Send LC and Jacobs on deep routes more often, rather than waiting to be down 10 points before sending our WRs deep.

4. Trade Gardener and release Sellers to send a message.

5. I love Smoot as a redskin, but he's gotta work on his tacking - he's the single worst tackler in the league.

Shane · 12-13-2004, 03:09 AM

Patrick Ramsey is auditioning for the job next year, and I really think that it is likely that Joe Gibbs will not want to put the success of his return to coaching in the hands of Ramsey.

I like Ramsey, I just don't want him to quarterback the Redskins. It's nothing personal. I want someone back there who can consistently make plays, create magic, spark his teammates, and make the right choices at critical moments. I don't have faith that Ramsey is going to do those things often enough, the opinion of his legion of passionate fans notwithstanding.

There are too many people who work too hard on this team, too many coaches who are doing such a great job in turning this once proud franchise around, to have their efforts be jeopardized by one player who is developmentally too far behind the rest of the team. Pat is tough, he's a good guy, but I am not sure he is a born quarterback. There is no shame in that.

Does anyone really think that the playcalling is conservative for any reason other than giving too big a rope to Pat results in problems at this stage in his development?

Ramsey's got three more games that he will probably be given to start. I hope he can get it together and really shine. He makes some throws sometimes that are impressive like the one to Cooley on the second touchdown drive. My mind is still open on Pat. But we will need serious options that we give absolutely equal and fair opportunity to for next season. Tim Hasselbeck should be one. Maybe an inexpensive free agent who is a potential gem to be another.

BleedBurgundy · 12-13-2004, 03:34 AM

This team needs big free agent signings this offseason like Brunell needs 43 million dollars for his play this year- not at all. We've got a fairly talented squad. WE NEED CONTI-FUCKING-NUITY.

JWsleep · 12-13-2004, 03:54 AM

Amen, Bleedburgundy!

Kope · 12-13-2004, 04:35 AM

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I wasn't around for Gibbs I, but Gibbs II has been a bitter disappointment. Martyball seems more interesting by comparison.

Gibbs I
-had huge adjustment the first year.
-We won the show once every four years.
-The other years we had to scrap every game to make the playoffs (some years we didn't)
- Threw a million and one hitches
- Most games the 4th quarter was hugley stress full because Pettibone (god love him)loved the prevent defense
-Gibbs took big chances that back fired sometimes.
-Had for the most part (Except for Theisman and 1 year from Rypien) Average at best QB play.
-never had a 1400 yard back (SD was the first I think)

So far in Gibbs II
-Had a huge adjustment the first year
-Created the best D I can remember in DC (yes better than all the SB years..well mebbie the one Wilber Marshall was on was close)
-Forged a team; a real team that doesn't quit or cry or lay down like a doormat. I bet you folks HATE to play our D...you know you are going to get slobberknocked from play one till the last whistle.

Bottom line- Gibbs football was like today (minus the penalties)

That's what I remember- and that is why I think we are so, so close to breaking thru the wall

Cheers

Luxorreb · 12-13-2004, 05:53 AM

hurrykaine you are insane. read a book, watch the nfl channel and learn about football.

12-13-2004, 01:14 AM	#1
Brute44 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 62	Heath Ramsey is a Moron, I mean Patrick Just like last season, he'll break your heart with a bonehead decision.

12-13-2004, 01:16 AM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I'd rather not talk about Ramsey right now if you don't mind...he's broken my fragile heart once again. *can't let them see me cry, must stop typing* __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-13-2004, 01:17 AM	#3
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	That was a retarded play. No other way to describe it. I'm not gonna crucify him for it, but you cant make that desicon. __________________ #21

12-13-2004, 01:43 AM	#8
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Did anyone hear the press conference? Gibbs called the play expecting a blitz. It didn't come, so Ramsey had to check out of that throw. He went for it. Ouch. The philly D is good. They make you look bad, they hide their coverages and their blitzes as well as anyone in the league. They clearly had Gibbs off-balance a number of times in the game. But for all that, if we don't screw OURSELVES with penalties and ints, we win. PR is learning. Let's see how he plays out the last three games. Winning out, and espcially in Dallas, will ease my pain. __________________ Hail from Houston!

12-13-2004, 03:54 AM	#13
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Amen, Bleedburgundy! __________________ Hail from Houston!

12-13-2004, 01:22 AM	#4
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	Stupid, stupid, stupid throw... Even dumber playcall. They've got 2 timeouts with just under 2 minutes on 1st and 10 at the Eagles 27, down by 3. Why in the hell do you tell Ramsey to drop back and heave a pass to the endzone? Ramsey's throw was absolutely horrible, but Gibbs' playcalling in this game was terrible.

12-13-2004, 02:34 AM	#10
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 51 Posts: 762	I'm not particularly disappointed by the loss - few of us expected us to win in the first place. I'm glad we fought our tails off. The most amazing thing about this season has been the lack of dissent and the lack of negative emotions among the players, despite our poor record - credit to Gibbs - probably the best thing Gibbs has managed all year with this team. Criticize Ramsey all you want, but the fact remains that this loss was all on the offensive coaching staff. Several factors influenced the outcome today - 1. Ramsey's INT, but also, 2. Cooley's drop in the endzone (beautiful pass by PR), 3. the BS interference on Springs, 4. horrible offensive play calling. 5. Terrible O-line play against a D with all starting D linemen out (save an injured Kearse) - what's bugel been teaching these guys? 6. poor clock management. 7. Still very suspect kickoff and punt coverage. The hell is wrong with Hall? I wasn't around for Gibbs I, but Gibbs II has been a bitter disappointment. Martyball seems more interesting by comparison. Gibbs has a reputation for being a quick learner and everyone hails his ability to make adjustments and adapt to situations - I hope he makes some drastic alterations this offseason. 1. Start by demoting Don Breaux from Off. coordinator to RB coach or offensive consultant, or deputy assistant head coach. He took too long to get the plays in from the booth upstairs, and he is conservative as hell. Gibbs is conservative enough - we don't need two conservatives responsible for calling the plays. 2. Release Raymer and Trade Samuels for a draft pick, or sign other O-linemen in free agency. Hopefully, Jansen's return shores up the right side of the line, and we won't need to block with an 8 players anymore. 3. Send LC and Jacobs on deep routes more often, rather than waiting to be down 10 points before sending our WRs deep. 4. Trade Gardener and release Sellers to send a message. 5. I love Smoot as a redskin, but he's gotta work on his tacking - he's the single worst tackler in the league.

12-13-2004, 03:09 AM	#11
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	Patrick Ramsey is auditioning for the job next year, and I really think that it is likely that Joe Gibbs will not want to put the success of his return to coaching in the hands of Ramsey. I like Ramsey, I just don't want him to quarterback the Redskins. It's nothing personal. I want someone back there who can consistently make plays, create magic, spark his teammates, and make the right choices at critical moments. I don't have faith that Ramsey is going to do those things often enough, the opinion of his legion of passionate fans notwithstanding. There are too many people who work too hard on this team, too many coaches who are doing such a great job in turning this once proud franchise around, to have their efforts be jeopardized by one player who is developmentally too far behind the rest of the team. Pat is tough, he's a good guy, but I am not sure he is a born quarterback. There is no shame in that. Does anyone really think that the playcalling is conservative for any reason other than giving too big a rope to Pat results in problems at this stage in his development? Ramsey's got three more games that he will probably be given to start. I hope he can get it together and really shine. He makes some throws sometimes that are impressive like the one to Cooley on the second touchdown drive. My mind is still open on Pat. But we will need serious options that we give absolutely equal and fair opportunity to for next season. Tim Hasselbeck should be one. Maybe an inexpensive free agent who is a potential gem to be another.

12-13-2004, 03:34 AM	#12
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	This team needs big free agent signings this offseason like Brunell needs 43 million dollars for his play this year- not at all. We've got a fairly talented squad. WE NEED CONTI-FUCKING-NUITY.

12-13-2004, 05:53 AM	#15
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	hurrykaine you are insane. read a book, watch the nfl channel and learn about football. __________________ ^21^

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