Offensive Coordinator

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 01-06-2005, 02:20 AM

I wondering if you guys think the redskins need to go after the offensive coordinator of usc trojans. do you see what he has done with bush and those receivers. imagine what he can do with portis, coles and co. we desperately need a new offensive genius that can take advantage of our talent. just think matt leinart has an average arm patrick has an incredible arm and need to work a little bit on his accuracy. Let me know what do you all think. with a high powered offense to go along with our explosive defense and folks you have the 2005 super bowl champs.

Redskins8588 · 01-06-2005, 02:28 AM

First Ramsey's accuracy isnt that bad. After he took over for Brunell Ramsey had a 65% completion percentage, and in the games that he started he had a QB rating of 82.6, which isnt bad given it was he first 7 starts in a brand new offense.

Second, I say give Gibbs a chance to tweek the offense, I dont believe that bringing in a new O-coordinator will help. Remember we want stability and consistancy, not a turnover in personel or with the coaching staff.

skins009 · 01-06-2005, 04:19 AM

Norm Chow is a real good coach but he is more of a west coast offense guy. Thats a different philosphy from Gibbs's one back vertical offense(at leat thats how it used to be). I would like to see somebody from the chiefs, vikings or colts staff comeover. That more similiar to what gibbs is trying to do.

itvnetop · 01-06-2005, 05:01 AM

He's not so west coast that the trojans base their offense around timing routes and slants... Chow's offensive philosophy is pretty complex, maximizing strengths against opponent weaknesses. SC just has the talent to make it all work- a grinding running back (White) to keep defenses honest, big and speedy receivers who run all types of routes around secondaries, tight ends who can catch forty yard bombs, and a mini-Marshall Faulk (Bush) that can take an off tackle all the way down, run a wheel route for a score, or finish a fly route designed for most speed receivers.

Much like Gibbs' offenses, Chow's all begins with the run. The playbook opens up from there and his brain is like an advanced chess game once he figures the defense out. He sees what defenses are trying to do within the first series of each game... he probably knows which part of the opposition is most easily exploited by game day. His football IQ is matched by very few offensive minds in the history of the game, but it all means nothing if he doesn't have the talent to make it happen.

If he came in tomorrow for the Skins, our offense wouldn't turn 180 that quickly. We'd definitely need more playmakers on offense- but if you have them, Chow knows exactly how to utilize them. The immediate improvement would be Ramsey's play... he's coming along well, but Chow is a quarterback's fantasy coach. He's made good quarterbacks great... developed most of them into those ready for the NFL (Young, Palmer, Leinart, McMahon, Rivers). I can only imagine how good Ramsey's vision and arm will be with Chow's instruction.

It's a risk banking on a college coach's history to succeed in the pros, but if you watch the Trojan offense- it has the feel of a the Rams of a few years back and the Colts of today. I'm pretty sure he'd be successful on this level.

Shane · 01-06-2005, 05:16 AM

Jiminy Christmas. So we need an offensive coordinator now. Why if old Norm Chow had been on the team from the start this year, we would have had a magnificent passing game, the pass protection would have been reminiscent of the Hogs', Portis would have gained perhaps 2,000 yards - it would have been great! So, yes, step aside Mr. Three Super Bowl Trophy, Hall of Fame coach, step aside for Norm Chow from USC!

Beemnseven · 01-07-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

Much like Gibbs' offenses, Chow's all begins with the run.

Interesting though, after the championship game, Bill Walsh had some comments on what he saw. Walsh said that everyone who watched saw an "evolution" in football offenses. He said USC proved that the old adage of 'establishing the run' got completely blown out of the water -- that anyone who follows that line of thinking is fooling themselves.

Now, I always remembered Bill Walsh following the offensive philosophy of 'pass first, and run just to mix it up'. And it could have been that Chow simply saw a weakness in Oklahoma's secondary. In fact, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State apparently exposed the same thing earlier this year by getting lots of yardage passing the ball against the Sooners.

Sometimes I think too many O-coordinators commit to the run stubbornly, almost as if it's an ego thing. Then again, I guess it all depends on the strengths and weaknesses of their opponents.

JoeRedskin · 01-06-2005, 07:31 AM

Well, maybe we don't NEED an offensive coordinator, but, just as Gregg Williams gave Gibbs a valuable assistant who could build modern defense, maybe an innovative OC would help. Remember, in his first stint, Gibbs had an OC (Henning) who helped him to his first Superbowl. I have been hearing good things about Chow and think he probably would be a good fit for Joe - someone to help kickstart Joe's own creative juices and apply them to the modern game. As for the fact that Chow has had college success and no pro experience, I guess I think that applies more to head coaches than coordinators. With Joe as HC, I don't think Chow's lack of pro experience would be a significant factor.

To me, hiring someone like Chow is a win win for both Gibbs and Chow. Gibbs gets a new, fresh brain to pick and Chow gets pro experience.

Wow... I've convinced myself of what a great move this would be!! Someone get Danny boy to fire up ol' Redskins 1 and sign that man up!

gortiz · 02-01-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, maybe we don't NEED an offensive coordinator, but, just as Gregg Williams gave Gibbs a valuable assistant who could build modern defense, maybe an innovative OC would help. Remember, in his first stint, Gibbs had an OC (Henning) who helped him to his first Superbowl. I have been hearing good things about Chow and think he probably would be a good fit for Joe - someone to help kickstart Joe's own creative juices and apply them to the modern game. As for the fact that Chow has had college success and no pro experience, I guess I think that applies more to head coaches than coordinators. With Joe as HC, I don't think Chow's lack of pro experience would be a significant factor.

To me, hiring someone like Chow is a win win for both Gibbs and Chow. Gibbs gets a new, fresh brain to pick and Chow gets pro experience.

Wow... I've convinced myself of what a great move this would be!! Someone get Danny boy to fire up ol' Redskins 1 and sign that man up!

wow dude, you were on to something, substitute Chow for Saunders and you would be GOD.

That Guy · 02-01-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gortiz

wow dude, you were on to something, substitute Chow for Saunders and you would be GOD.

the difference is saunders has had #1 offenses in the NFL... chow has done NOTHING here. the titan's offense was crappy, and that whole post was about how great chow was, not how much we needed an OC

gortiz · 02-01-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

that whole post was about how great chow was, not how much we needed an OC

I saw a lot of posts asking the general question about us getting a new offensive coordinator ... I just thinkthat it was an interensting read so long ago.

One post made a point that if we got someone, it would have to be similiar to Joe's offensive philosphy ... pretty insightful I think ... I know its not rocket science ... but interesting on some levels regardless.

Daseal · 01-06-2005, 08:47 AM

I've been harping for an offensive coordinator for a bit. I think Gibbs deserves another year, but I wouldn't cry if we decided to get a coordinator by any means.

I would also like someone with NFL experience if we go after them.

cpayne5 · 01-06-2005, 09:27 AM

I don't think a new offensive coordinator will come aboard. "Offensive Advisor" would most likely be the title of an offensive guy brought in.

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 01-06-2005, 09:29 AM

I think you guys have me misunderstood. I know the Gibbs has one 3 super bowls with his offense in tact. He's been away from the game a pretty long time. We all know the the game is not the same the players are bigger and much faster than back in the early 90's. All I'm saying is that the offense need some changing I mean the offense did look terrible at the beginning of the year it did change towards the end. We need someone who can use our talent wisely. Portis is not a big grind it out kind of a back. Portis has to be used like Bush is used at USC(chow). I mean portis is probably the fastest back in the league and it is a shame that we can't use him correctly. we do have betts to do that but what if we had portis breaking those homeruns on opposing defenses week in and week out. Like I said we have a super bowl defense and we can't give them over 20 points a game to win the game. I's convinced Chow is the man to do that. He's very smart and uses talent well. All you know have talent we just don't have the person to use it. I did not say get rid of gibbs but give him some help.

MTK · 01-06-2005, 09:32 AM

It's worth discussing but I really doubt a coordinator will be brought in.

FRPLG · 01-06-2005, 09:56 AM

Norm Chow is a mega-quality coach who could help any team in the league. I don't understand how he hasn't gotten a HC job at the college level yet. I think Gibbs is the kind of guy who would bring in anyone to do anything if he thought it would help. He is not above saying that he needs help. That said I don't see it happening.

ANother guy out there that the SKins absolutly should go after is Terry Donahue. The GM just fired from SF is a very good talent evaluator and would be a tremendous addition to the front office and could take some pressure off of Gibbs. I believe Gibbs would actually have to hire him given his contractual power.

01-06-2005, 02:28 AM	#2
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	First Ramsey's accuracy isnt that bad. After he took over for Brunell Ramsey had a 65% completion percentage, and in the games that he started he had a QB rating of 82.6, which isnt bad given it was he first 7 starts in a brand new offense. Second, I say give Gibbs a chance to tweek the offense, I dont believe that bringing in a new O-coordinator will help. Remember we want stability and consistancy, not a turnover in personel or with the coaching staff. __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

01-06-2005, 09:27 AM	#12
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	I don't think a new offensive coordinator will come aboard. "Offensive Advisor" would most likely be the title of an offensive guy brought in. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

01-06-2005, 02:20 AM	#1
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 44 Posts: 349	Offensive Coordinator I wondering if you guys think the redskins need to go after the offensive coordinator of usc trojans. do you see what he has done with bush and those receivers. imagine what he can do with portis, coles and co. we desperately need a new offensive genius that can take advantage of our talent. just think matt leinart has an average arm patrick has an incredible arm and need to work a little bit on his accuracy. Let me know what do you all think. with a high powered offense to go along with our explosive defense and folks you have the 2005 super bowl champs.

01-06-2005, 04:19 AM	#3
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Norm Chow is a real good coach but he is more of a west coast offense guy. Thats a different philosphy from Gibbs's one back vertical offense(at leat thats how it used to be). I would like to see somebody from the chiefs, vikings or colts staff comeover. That more similiar to what gibbs is trying to do.

01-06-2005, 05:01 AM	#4
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	He's not so west coast that the trojans base their offense around timing routes and slants... Chow's offensive philosophy is pretty complex, maximizing strengths against opponent weaknesses. SC just has the talent to make it all work- a grinding running back (White) to keep defenses honest, big and speedy receivers who run all types of routes around secondaries, tight ends who can catch forty yard bombs, and a mini-Marshall Faulk (Bush) that can take an off tackle all the way down, run a wheel route for a score, or finish a fly route designed for most speed receivers. Much like Gibbs' offenses, Chow's all begins with the run. The playbook opens up from there and his brain is like an advanced chess game once he figures the defense out. He sees what defenses are trying to do within the first series of each game... he probably knows which part of the opposition is most easily exploited by game day. His football IQ is matched by very few offensive minds in the history of the game, but it all means nothing if he doesn't have the talent to make it happen. If he came in tomorrow for the Skins, our offense wouldn't turn 180 that quickly. We'd definitely need more playmakers on offense- but if you have them, Chow knows exactly how to utilize them. The immediate improvement would be Ramsey's play... he's coming along well, but Chow is a quarterback's fantasy coach. He's made good quarterbacks great... developed most of them into those ready for the NFL (Young, Palmer, Leinart, McMahon, Rivers). I can only imagine how good Ramsey's vision and arm will be with Chow's instruction. It's a risk banking on a college coach's history to succeed in the pros, but if you watch the Trojan offense- it has the feel of a the Rams of a few years back and the Colts of today. I'm pretty sure he'd be successful on this level.

01-06-2005, 05:16 AM	#5
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	Jiminy Christmas. So we need an offensive coordinator now. Why if old Norm Chow had been on the team from the start this year, we would have had a magnificent passing game, the pass protection would have been reminiscent of the Hogs', Portis would have gained perhaps 2,000 yards - it would have been great! So, yes, step aside Mr. Three Super Bowl Trophy, Hall of Fame coach, step aside for Norm Chow from USC!

01-06-2005, 07:31 AM	#7
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Well, maybe we don't NEED an offensive coordinator, but, just as Gregg Williams gave Gibbs a valuable assistant who could build modern defense, maybe an innovative OC would help. Remember, in his first stint, Gibbs had an OC (Henning) who helped him to his first Superbowl. I have been hearing good things about Chow and think he probably would be a good fit for Joe - someone to help kickstart Joe's own creative juices and apply them to the modern game. As for the fact that Chow has had college success and no pro experience, I guess I think that applies more to head coaches than coordinators. With Joe as HC, I don't think Chow's lack of pro experience would be a significant factor. To me, hiring someone like Chow is a win win for both Gibbs and Chow. Gibbs gets a new, fresh brain to pick and Chow gets pro experience. Wow... I've convinced myself of what a great move this would be!! Someone get Danny boy to fire up ol' Redskins 1 and sign that man up!

01-06-2005, 08:47 AM	#11
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I've been harping for an offensive coordinator for a bit. I think Gibbs deserves another year, but I wouldn't cry if we decided to get a coordinator by any means. I would also like someone with NFL experience if we go after them.

01-06-2005, 09:29 AM	#13
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 44 Posts: 349	I think you guys have me misunderstood. I know the Gibbs has one 3 super bowls with his offense in tact. He's been away from the game a pretty long time. We all know the the game is not the same the players are bigger and much faster than back in the early 90's. All I'm saying is that the offense need some changing I mean the offense did look terrible at the beginning of the year it did change towards the end. We need someone who can use our talent wisely. Portis is not a big grind it out kind of a back. Portis has to be used like Bush is used at USC(chow). I mean portis is probably the fastest back in the league and it is a shame that we can't use him correctly. we do have betts to do that but what if we had portis breaking those homeruns on opposing defenses week in and week out. Like I said we have a super bowl defense and we can't give them over 20 points a game to win the game. I's convinced Chow is the man to do that. He's very smart and uses talent well. All you know have talent we just don't have the person to use it. I did not say get rid of gibbs but give him some help.

01-06-2005, 09:32 AM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,573	It's worth discussing but I really doubt a coordinator will be brought in.

01-06-2005, 09:56 AM	#15
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Norm Chow is a mega-quality coach who could help any team in the league. I don't understand how he hasn't gotten a HC job at the college level yet. I think Gibbs is the kind of guy who would bring in anyone to do anything if he thought it would help. He is not above saying that he needs help. That said I don't see it happening. ANother guy out there that the SKins absolutly should go after is Terry Donahue. The GM just fired from SF is a very good talent evaluator and would be a tremendous addition to the front office and could take some pressure off of Gibbs. I believe Gibbs would actually have to hire him given his contractual power.

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