I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[SmootSmack]

So we've got two big rumors at play here.

SC and I have researched this independently but in many ways our information does intersect So let's run through it:

Peyton Manning: Our own sources are telling us it's not an option. Which is what I've been saying. Where he ends up I don't know. I don't think it's so definitive that he won't return to Indy

Robert Griffin 3: Yes, we like him but all this talk of being enamored with him and looking to trade up to get him appears to only be a smokescreen. If he's there at 6, sure. But, as of right now, there's no interest in giving up picks to move up for him. At least, that's what I've heard. I actually am not even sure we'd take him if he's there at 6. But then, I thought the same about Landry

Mark Sanchez: Since I've brought him up before, let me just say that it looks less and less like an option, even if he's available

Matt Flynn: I haven't heard from anyone I trust that we're interested

Brian Hoyer: Patriots want to keep him, but we'd be interested for sure if he is available

Colt McCoy: Haven't heard his name mentioned even once to DC..which is why I keep saying he's the sleeper QB we're going to get

Ok, let's get to the real story here:

Andrew Luck/Sam Bradford: Well, these are the big guns. I'm hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us the #1 pick (Andrew Luck), gets the Colts #2
(RG3, plus picks) and gets the Rams #6 (plus picks and a player). I mean publically no one is talking about this at all, but I know of people inside the organization that are talking about it. Inside the Colts organization that is

SC is hearing a lot more about a 3-way trade that gets us Sam Bradford, the Rams #3 and picks and gets the Vikings #6, picks, and Orakpo. We've each heard variations of what the other has heard. On my end the Bradford talk has been a bit quiet in recent weeks as the Luck talk has heated up (incidentally who was it here that said Orton to the Colts? Because that's apparently very much a
possibility). Incidentally, no rumors I've heard involving Bradford coming to the Redskins include the Vikings. So if that happens, that's all SC.

Getting Luck would seem to be a bit more unattainable than getting Bradford, but it may not be. But bottom line: The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other. Also, they plan on adding two QBs this offseason (not Luck & Bradford, of course). And, I know you guys thought I was crazy when I brought it up this fall and when I didn't lock the thread someone else had started on the possibility, but we're shopping Orakpo in order to get our QB. Maybe other players as well, thought not Trent Williams. But especially Orakpo

And for those few of you who I have already talked to about this, it appears the # of picks may be a bit
less than originally mentioned for Luck. Actually considerably less, but it's still potentially a handful. But apparently nothing below our 2nd this year

And I realize the notion of being able to get Luck seems absurd but we wouldn't bring it up if we didn't think the sources suggesting it weren't reliable.

If you want to know if I think we'll actually land Luck or Bradford...I'd be surprised. (I don't even think we're drafting any QB in the first round for that matter). My own gut at this time says we're signing/trading for a veteran, and someone like Wilson or Keenum in the last rounds. I've heard Cousins is at the top of our 2nd tier, meaning after Luck/Bradford. So good prediction there Tripp. But Luck/Bradford are who I'm told is at the top of their board. ...And it's only January

[tryfuhl]

Oh the anticipation.. imagine Bradford and Blackmon. Or Luck alone

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Oh the anticipation.. imagine Bradford and Blackmon. Or Luck alone

Doubtful the Skins could get both Bradford and Blackmon - - but keep a good thought...

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Doubtful the Skins could get both Bradford and Blackmon - - but keep a good thought...

It was based on the scenario of getting Bradford and the Rams pick that was mentioned.

[Chico23231]

Well at least we are going after the best of the best. To get either Luck or Bradford would be great.

[mbedner3420]

So we give picks to both the colts and the rams? Kinda sucks...

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

So we give picks to both the colts and the rams? Kinda sucks...

But we would have Luck!

[musicmaster45]

Yea interesting the new cap rules really made trades that used to seem ridiculous more plausible.

[diehardskin2982]

I understand the thought process for the Skins, they need their guy. Recently, Kyle said that we need an explosive wideout. So I am interested to see how we can get that player and still do these deals.

[Meks]

dislike bradford, we'll have to give up too much for luck but, he's a safe bet... for years, my tune is kind of changing on that note...

[Ruhskins]

I have this funny feeling that what SS is saying about not drafting a QB in the first round is actually going to happen. I can see the team drafting a defensive player (again) in the first round and having some half-a$$ed situation at QB going into next season. And once again, we'll be having the same discussions about getting a QB next offseason. Bleh.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I have this funny feeling that what SS is saying about not drafting a QB in the first round is actually going to happen. I can see the team drafting a defensive player (again) in the first round and having some half-a$$ed situation at QB going into next season. And once again, we'll be having the same discussions about getting a QB next offseason. Bleh.

I don't think that will happen because Shanny is on the hot seat. He can not go into the next season with a fiasco at qb like last year. That was an imbarassment for the franchise and him.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Smootsmack provided an excellent summary here.

My sense of all this is that the Shanahans recognize that they need to upgrade the QB position on the team and they are looking at various ways to achieve that end.

They seem to have focused attention on Luck and Bradford. That is good news because it shows they have "good taste in QBs" - - which might have been in doubt to some degree after the gushingly positive remarks about John Beck 6 months ago. But it is going to take a bit of doing for them to wrestle one of them away from the teams at the top of the draft. To their credit, they are looking at ways to get that done... This means that they are willing to consider parting with an excellent young talent - - Orakpo - - to get this done. And that ought to be a lesson for folks here; when a team wants to go after a prime player or a prime draft pick, it will not do to think about offering only your team's marginal players and/or some low round picks.

At the same time, they are looking at what they might do if all of the dancing that is going on behind the scenes now does not amount to anything real. That is good too because an upgrade at QB is essential so they have to have some plan in place just in case they do not get one of the guys they covet most.

In an different thread, I said that I would not be surprised to see them sign a good-but-not-great free agent along with a developmental QB in a later round. And by the way, going that route would not offend me even a little bit. I believe that with time to evolve their games, both Russell Wilson and Kellen Moore can play QB in the NFL...

[celts32]

This sentence makes me giddy..."The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other."

[Lotus]

Thanks for the intel, SS! That is so helpful.

Originally Posted by celts32

This sentence makes me giddy..."The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other."

Me too. So much awesomeness to dream about as a possibility.