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REDSKINS4ever · 11-07-2012, 03:48 PM

Last season, the Redskins defense was stellar all season long and finished with a 13th place ranking in the NFL. As we all know, the defense has regressed this season after it showed much progress last season. I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact cause. Is it the scheme, the coverages that are called, or is the problem the personnel? Haslett can't truly be the problem as the defense in the past under his watch has been better.

If the problem is indeed the personnel in the secondary, then what players need to be replaced as a result? It's been said that D. Hall is not a true #1 CB and neither is Josh Wilson. Reed Doughty, while a decent fill in, can only help so much. And Madieu Williams has played more poorly than great although I credit him with a pick 6 against the Vikings weeks back. Brandon Meriweather hasn't played all season and Mike Shanahan should be blamed for signing a junky like Tanard Jackson, knowing full well that he had been in trouble with the NFL before for past offenses.

Next year in the draft or/and free agency, which players do the Redskins target to fix this anemic problem?

Thoughts?

Chico23231 · 11-07-2012, 04:25 PM

Personel>coaching>scheme.

1. Orakpo loss was massive. AC as well, but not close to in terms of necessity.
2. Shanny f8cked us with personel decisions of T Jax and going with B Merriweather with the Safety plan.
3. Josh Wilson is the only stater quality CB, and he is a #2 at best. We also really have no effective #3 CB. We have a serious lack of talent in the secondary.

3-4 is not the problem, but Haslett game planning and adjustments certainly are.

Keep the 3-4 scheme, change the DC and add significant starting talent at all secondary positions. Continue to build depth at NT and ILB.

Bucket · 11-07-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Personel>coaching>scheme.

1. Orakpo loss was massive. AC as well, but not close to in terms of necessity.
2. Shanny f8cked us with personel decisions of T Jax and going with B Merriweather with the Safety plan.
3. Josh Wilson is the only stater quality CB, and he is a #2 at best. We also really have no effective #3 CB. We have a serious lack of talent in the secondary.

3-4 is not the problem, but Haslett game planning and adjustments certainly are.

Keep the 3-4 scheme, change the DC and add significant starting talent at all secondary positions. Continue to build depth at NT and ILB.

Not sure what you mean by Shanahan fckin people with the safety choices. He didnt injure Merriweather and didnt suspend Tjak. We dont know how they would of panned out since they are not on the field.

skinsfaninok · 11-07-2012, 04:49 PM

I really don't understand how Josh Wilson is still liked by fans, the guy is straight Garbage

Chico23231 · 11-07-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I really don't understand how Josh Wilson is still liked by fans, the guy is straight Garbage

I think he is only signed through next year. His contract is affordable and we cant afford to cut the entire secondary. Bring him back, cut Hall and let the 1 year deals of C Griff and M Williams expire and not resign either. Merriweather has another year left on his deal, so bring him back. We add 2 corners in the draft and free agency. We add another safety through the draft and hopefully sign a quality Free Safety. Cut Gomes as well.

SBXVII · 11-08-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think he is only signed through next year. His contract is affordable and we cant afford to cut the entire secondary. Bring him back, cut Hall and let the 1 year deals of C Griff and M Williams expire and not resign either. Merriweather has another year left on his deal, so bring him back. We add 2 corners in the draft and free agency. We add another safety through the draft and hopefully sign a quality Free Safety. Cut Gomes as well.

Oh yea we can. I'm ready to cut all of them right now and bring in a bunch of young healthy faster talent. I'd be looking at the other teams practice squads and putting them on the active roster. They certainly couldn't be any worse then how our secondary has been and it would give them decent playing time and decent evaluation time to see if they are worth keeping for next yr. .......since we are now in evaluation mode. lol.

skinsfan69 · 11-08-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Oh yea we can. I'm ready to cut all of them right now and bring in a bunch of young healthy faster talent. I'd be looking at the other teams practice squads and putting them on the active roster. They certainly couldn't be any worse then how our secondary has been and it would give them decent playing time and decent evaluation time to see if they are worth keeping for next yr. .......since we are now in evaluation mode. lol.

It would never happen but you're probably right. Sadly, the amount of money you make determines playing time.

MTK · 11-07-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I really don't understand how Josh Wilson is still liked by fans, the guy is straight Garbage

Just like D-Hall. Scrap them both.

skinsfaninok · 11-07-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just like D-Hall. Scrap them both.

agreed

T.O.Killa · 11-07-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I really don't understand how Josh Wilson is still liked by fans, the guy is straight Garbage

I don't either. He makes DHall look all pro to me. All his pass interference calls have come in the corner of the end zone that I sit in. I can see the whole play develop and I can see it in his eyes as he is running with the receiver. I start pointing to him to turn around knowing full well he is going to interfere instead of turning around and making the play. I just don't understand it. He is right there in position to make a play but never turns around and chooses to molest the receivers.

SFREDSKIN · 11-07-2012, 09:47 PM

It's funny how it took almost 4 years for most of you to realize that Hall was a terrible signing and that he sucks.

44ever · 11-07-2012, 09:54 PM

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It's funny how it took almost 4 years for most of you to realize that Hall was a terrible signing and that he sucks.

I've been saying that all along... But noooo, some people insisted he was a modern day Prime Time. I will promise you one thing tho, put him on any other team and he will be.

Chico23231 · 11-08-2012, 09:25 AM

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It's funny how it took almost 4 years for most of you to realize that Hall was a terrible signing and that he sucks.

the contract was typical bullshit dan snyder/vinny run the franchise into the ground move, but he wasnt this bad when Los was here. They complimented each other well. He was at least average then, certainly not worth the money he was being paid.

GoSkins! · 11-07-2012, 04:56 PM

I would really love to know what the plan was for defense if we didn't get the 18mil cap hit on the eve of free agency.

los panda · 11-07-2012, 05:01 PM

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I would really love to know what the plan was for defense if we didn't get the 18mil cap hit on the eve of free agency.

finnegan

11-07-2012, 04:49 PM	#4
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,137	Re: Defensive Parts I really don't understand how Josh Wilson is still liked by fans, the guy is straight Garbage __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-07-2012, 09:47 PM	#11
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Defensive Parts It's funny how it took almost 4 years for most of you to realize that Hall was a terrible signing and that he sucks. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

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GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Defensive Parts I would really love to know what the plan was for defense if we didn't get the 18mil cap hit on the eve of free agency. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

11-07-2012, 03:48 PM	#1
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,101	Defensive Parts Last season, the Redskins defense was stellar all season long and finished with a 13th place ranking in the NFL. As we all know, the defense has regressed this season after it showed much progress last season. I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact cause. Is it the scheme, the coverages that are called, or is the problem the personnel? Haslett can't truly be the problem as the defense in the past under his watch has been better. If the problem is indeed the personnel in the secondary, then what players need to be replaced as a result? It's been said that D. Hall is not a true #1 CB and neither is Josh Wilson. Reed Doughty, while a decent fill in, can only help so much. And Madieu Williams has played more poorly than great although I credit him with a pick 6 against the Vikings weeks back. Brandon Meriweather hasn't played all season and Mike Shanahan should be blamed for signing a junky like Tanard Jackson, knowing full well that he had been in trouble with the NFL before for past offenses. Next year in the draft or/and free agency, which players do the Redskins target to fix this anemic problem? Thoughts?

11-07-2012, 04:25 PM	#2
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,505	Re: Defensive Parts Personel>coaching>scheme. 1. Orakpo loss was massive. AC as well, but not close to in terms of necessity. 2. Shanny f8cked us with personel decisions of T Jax and going with B Merriweather with the Safety plan. 3. Josh Wilson is the only stater quality CB, and he is a #2 at best. We also really have no effective #3 CB. We have a serious lack of talent in the secondary. 3-4 is not the problem, but Haslett game planning and adjustments certainly are. Keep the 3-4 scheme, change the DC and add significant starting talent at all secondary positions. Continue to build depth at NT and ILB. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

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