Speed!

offiss · 03-11-2005, 12:19 AM

It was interesting to find out that the only person to ever outrun Moss was Antonio Brown, and the only person to beat Antonio Brown was Moss, say what you want about our WR's at this point but we have significantly upgraded our team speed, when Portis say's Antonio ran the fastest 40 he's ever seen you know the kid can pick them up and lay them down. I think our return game this season will be as exiting to watch as any we ever had, and we may be the greatest team of all time in that department to date. In the brief time we had to watch Brown perform I have to say he was running as fast as anyone I have ever seen, I am Talking D.Green fast, at least.

saden1 · 03-11-2005, 12:32 AM

It's not how fast you can run. It's how good you can catch the ball and how you run routes. Speed kills, but good hands are devastating. I mean, no one has ever committed murder with speed have they now? Think about it!

skinsguy · 03-11-2005, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

It's not how fast you can run. It's how good you can catch the ball and how you run routes. Speed kills, but good hands are devastating. I mean, no one has ever committed murder with speed have they now? Think about it!

You're right they do have to have good hands, but to stop the complaining about a deep threat, you have to have someone that can get open deep.....our receivers this year were no deep threats.

BrudLee · 03-11-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

It's not how fast you can run. It's how good you can catch the ball and how you run routes. Speed kills, but good hands are devastating. I mean, no one has ever committed murder with speed have they now? Think about it!

What about vehicular homicide?

The road to greatness is littered with incomplete players. Guys who can catch, but are too slow. Guys who are burners with bad hands. With Moss, we have a player who has had a 70+ catch season, so hopefully he's not on that list.

saden1 · 03-11-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

What about vehicular homicide?

I had exactly that in mind when i wrote "think about it!" Think about that!

BrudLee · 03-11-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

I had exactly that in mind when i wrote "think about it!" Think about that!

The perfect crime!

Does Laverneous need a ride to the airport?

Jokes!

Daseal · 03-11-2005, 02:05 AM

Well - speed kills in the return game. A couple good blocks and these guys are HISTORY! May be the only way we can score!

Anyhow, Brown may be intersting to at least give a small role to at WR spot. Just to see what he can do in a game with adrenaline flowing. Dick Vermeil once said: "You can teach someone to catch a ball, you can teach someone to run routes, but you sure as hell can't teach speed!" That's a paraphrase. I agree with it

jdlea · 03-11-2005, 02:24 AM

That's definitely a good quote coming from Dick Vermiel. All of you know he coaches em up and makes em playmakers. Look at Dante Hall. Fell off last year, but year before that man was getting it done outside of the return game as much as he was in it.

offiss · 03-11-2005, 02:26 AM

Even if a player is not a quintessential WR doesn't mean he's useless [brown]there are plenty of way's to get a player the ball on offense to utilize his speed on occasion, and as far as the return game goes he look's phenomenal, add Moss into that picture and look out. It's up to Gibb's to utilize their talent's to maximize their production.

Dante Hall does a pretty good job of impacting games in KC and he's no prototypical WR.

Daseal · 03-11-2005, 02:36 AM

hell - run a reverse with him and say goodbye!

heybigstar · 03-11-2005, 03:53 AM

That would be great... i cant wait till the season starts (i know everyone has had this thought many times, but its true) ,, lets go Skins!

celts32 · 03-11-2005, 10:36 AM

Didn't we also think Chad Morton was going to fis the return game? Special teams are all about blocking and execution and the Redskins have not done enough of that in recent years.

BrudLee · 03-11-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by celts32

Didn't we also think Chad Morton was going to fis the return game? Special teams are all about blocking and execution and the Redskins have not done enough of that in recent years.

Chad Morton is an excellent return man who is likely overpaid. He was also on IR last year, so it becomes harder to blame him. The problem with Morton right now is that we have three other return men (Thrash, Brown, and Moss) who, if not as good as him, are certainly serviceable.

We also (surprise!) had a new coordinator last year who emphasized different things in the game. We blocked kicks (yay!) and gave up returns (boo!). We also had a lot of our special teams players playing defense and offense due to injuries (which left them not-as-fresh as one would hope). We also had Ola Kimrin on our roster for the bulk of the season, and experience tells us that isn't a good thing, as he's rotten at kickoffs.

Special teams should improve next year, if only because all of the aboce won't be true next year.

celts32 · 03-11-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

Chad Morton is an excellent return man who is likely overpaid. He was also on IR last year, so it becomes harder to blame him. The problem with Morton right now is that we have three other return men (Thrash, Brown, and Moss) who, if not as good as him, are certainly serviceable.

We also (surprise!) had a new coordinator last year who emphasized different things in the game. We blocked kicks (yay!) and gave up returns (boo!). We also had a lot of our special teams players playing defense and offense due to injuries (which left them not-as-fresh as one would hope). We also had Ola Kimrin on our roster for the bulk of the season, and experience tells us that isn't a good thing, as he's rotten at kickoffs.

Special teams should improve next year, if only because all of the aboce won't be true next year.

My point was that Morton was a great returner on the Jets and never did crap for the Skins. You can't just bring a great returner in here and think it makes you instantly have a great return game. it doesn't work that way. Moss will do a good job returning the kicks if the Redskins do as good a job of blocking for him as the Jets have done. That's my only point.

BrudLee · 03-11-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

My point was that Morton was a great returner on the Jets and never did crap for the Skins. You can't just bring a great returner in here and think it makes you instantly have a great return game. it doesn't work that way. Moss will do a good job returning the kicks if the Redskins do as good a job of blocking for him as the Jets have done. That's my only point.

Thing is, Morton wasn't that bad. He had a kick return for a touchdown in 2003 and another return for over 40 yards. He averaged nearly ten yards a punt return, despite the fact that he rarely returned punts with the Jets. (Non-Special Teams side note: he also started two games at running back, ending with a 4.5 YPC, with 18.75% of his carries going for first downs). 2004 was disappointing, but 6 games with a new coaching staff before a season ending injury shouldn't be a career year for anyone.

03-11-2005, 12:19 AM	#1
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Speed! It was interesting to find out that the only person to ever outrun Moss was Antonio Brown, and the only person to beat Antonio Brown was Moss, say what you want about our WR's at this point but we have significantly upgraded our team speed, when Portis say's Antonio ran the fastest 40 he's ever seen you know the kid can pick them up and lay them down. I think our return game this season will be as exiting to watch as any we ever had, and we may be the greatest team of all time in that department to date. In the brief time we had to watch Brown perform I have to say he was running as fast as anyone I have ever seen, I am Talking D.Green fast, at least.

03-11-2005, 12:32 AM	#2
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Speed! It's not how fast you can run. It's how good you can catch the ball and how you run routes. Speed kills, but good hands are devastating. I mean, no one has ever committed murder with speed have they now? Think about it!

03-11-2005, 02:05 AM	#7
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Speed! Well - speed kills in the return game. A couple good blocks and these guys are HISTORY! May be the only way we can score! Anyhow, Brown may be intersting to at least give a small role to at WR spot. Just to see what he can do in a game with adrenaline flowing. Dick Vermeil once said: "You can teach someone to catch a ball, you can teach someone to run routes, but you sure as hell can't teach speed!" That's a paraphrase. I agree with it

03-11-2005, 02:24 AM	#8
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Speed! That's definitely a good quote coming from Dick Vermiel. All of you know he coaches em up and makes em playmakers. Look at Dante Hall. Fell off last year, but year before that man was getting it done outside of the return game as much as he was in it.

03-11-2005, 02:26 AM	#9
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Speed! Even if a player is not a quintessential WR doesn't mean he's useless [brown]there are plenty of way's to get a player the ball on offense to utilize his speed on occasion, and as far as the return game goes he look's phenomenal, add Moss into that picture and look out. It's up to Gibb's to utilize their talent's to maximize their production. Dante Hall does a pretty good job of impacting games in KC and he's no prototypical WR.

03-11-2005, 02:36 AM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Speed! hell - run a reverse with him and say goodbye!

03-11-2005, 03:53 AM	#11
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 375	Re: Speed! That would be great... i cant wait till the season starts (i know everyone has had this thought many times, but its true) ,, lets go Skins! __________________ Hail to the Redskins.

03-11-2005, 10:36 AM	#12
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: Speed! Didn't we also think Chad Morton was going to fis the return game? Special teams are all about blocking and execution and the Redskins have not done enough of that in recent years.

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