All things offseason discussion part II

[CRedskinsRule]

Figured this as good a time as any to move away from the last one. We all know the name thing can drag on forever.

That said, I didn't see it mentioned anywhere that Jarius Byrd had back surgery and I know Matty posted about TJ Ward getting charged with assault. Seems like they were two guys alot of fans wanted that we may now be glad that we didn't. Byrd got a whole lotta of money to play safety with back issues.

And does anyone know what the Redskins schedule in June is? I couldn't really find much on it, and know that it's not going to be a lot of exciting information.

Finally, for sake of making some level of discussion possible, which division or conference opponent's offseason has most interested you? I haven't seen many folly filled moments from the Cowboys, which you usually can count on them for. And the Eagles/Giants also both seem to just be a bit bland.

[Chico23231]

If people are surprised by Byrd's injury...

[Gary84Clark]

it was cold and all I saw was white,,,,

[punch it in]

I think the nfc west got even better which is scary.

[Alvin Walton]

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

<snip>Finally, for sake of making some level of discussion possible, which division or conference opponent's offseason has most interested you? I haven't seen many folly filled moments from the Cowboys, which you usually can count on them for. And the Eagles/Giants also both seem to just be a bit bland.

Giants got better, through both the draft and FA. Odell Beckham will be the new DeSean, i.e., the division rival that kills us twice a year. And with a better running game and improved OL, they should be a solid East contender for a few years yet(unless Eli goes back to his pick-slinging ways).

NFC East will be extremely interesting this year with 2 improved teams, Giants and Redskins; reigning champion Philly who didn't really get better but didn't get worse either; and Dallas, who should have a great offense, provided Dez and Romo stay healthy, but a terrible defense. Still probably the worst division in the NFL, but improved, IMO.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Giants got better, through both the draft and FA. Odell Beckham will be the new DeSean, i.e., the division rival that kills us twice a year. And with a better running game and improved OL, they should be a solid East contender for a few years yet(unless Eli goes back to his pick-slinging ways).

NFC East will be extremely interesting this year with 2 improved teams, Giants and Redskins; reigning champion Philly who didn't really get better but didn't get worse either; and Dallas, who should have a great offense, provided Dez and Romo stay healthy, but a terrible defense. Still probably the worst division in the NFL, but improved, IMO.

In terms of Philly are you saying that the Sproles addition counter balances the loss of Jackson, or that Jackson's loss to them was of minimal impact?

I tend to think they got worse in two ways 1) at backup qb, instead of Vick - who was good as a backup, they have Sanchez and Barkley. That's quite a drop in talent in my opinion. and 2) the loss of Jackson. I don't really see that their draft or FA's pickups improved them significantly. And I love Sproles, but I don't see him and Shady being the type of two headed threat, but instead suitable substitutes for either. So no real gain in my opinion.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

In terms of Philly are you saying that the Sproles addition counter balances the loss of Jackson, or that Jackson's loss to them was of minimal impact?

I tend to think they got worse in two ways 1) at backup qb, instead of Vick - who was good as a backup, they have Sanchez and Barkley. That's quite a drop in talent in my opinion. and 2) the loss of Jackson. I don't really see that their draft or FA's pickups improved them significantly. And I love Sproles, but I don't see him and Shady being the type of two headed threat, but instead suitable substitutes for either. So no real gain in my opinion.

Losing Jackson was huge for them. There was an article posted on here that showed that Jackson had a long catch on the vast majority of the Eagles's scoring drives. The drives where he didn't have a catch very rarely resulted in points.

But he and Vick were the two biggest offseason losses, and they replaced those two with plenty of talent through both draft and FA. First of all for the receiving corps, they resigned Cooper, who's a solid receiver; then they drafted Jordan Matthews, who isn't as good or fast as Jackson but will put up solid numbers early, IMO; signed Sproles as you mentioned; and then they have Maclin returning from the ACL injury. Plus, they have the development of Zach Ertz to look forward to. So they don't have the explosiveness anymore that DJax offered, but make no mistake, they'll still put up points. On Vick: yeah, there's a chance Foles gets injured, but a backup QB isn't that big of a loss.

That's just on offense. On defense, they signed Malcolm Jenkins, who is now their best safety. Plus, they drafted Ed Reynolds and and still have Brandon Boykins in the slot, so their secondary will be improved. And most importantly, they drafted Marcus Smith, who was second in the nation in sacks, behind only our man Murphy.

In short, they lost one of their best players, but added some talent on both sides of the ball that pretty much made up for that huge loss.

Edit: Fixed the first paragraph for clarification purposes.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Losing Jackson was huge for them. There was an article posted on here that showed the percentage of scoring drives for the Eagles where Jackson had a catch versus those scoring drives where he didn't, and the difference proved that he was a huge part of their offense.

But he and Vick were the two biggest offseason losses, and they replaced those two with plenty of talent through both draft and FA. First of all for the receiving corps, they resigned Cooper, who's a solid receiver; then they drafted Jordan Matthews, who isn't as good or fast as Jackson but will put up solid numbers early, IMO; signed Sproles as you mentioned; and then they have Maclin returning from the ACL injury. Plus, they have the development of Zach Ertz to look forward to. So they don't have the explosiveness anymore that DJax offered, but make no mistake, they'll still put up points. On Vick: yeah, there's a chance Foles gets injured, but a backup QB isn't that big of a loss.

That's just on offense. On defense, they signed Malcolm Jenkins, who is now their best safety. Plus, they drafted Ed Reynolds and and still have Brandon Boykins in the slot, so their secondary will be improved. And most importantly, they drafted Marcus Smith, who was second in the nation in sacks, behind only our man Murphy.

In short, they lost one of their best players, but added some talent on both sides of the ball that pretty much made up for that huge loss.

You're putting way too much value on draftees and pedestrian FA acquisitions. There is no way to know what they can contribute.

I agree with you that Jackson was a huge loss for them. Getting Maclin back and the development of Ertz won't be nearly enough to make up for that. With the loss of Jackson, they no longer have any WR who compels the defense to game-plan for him.

Sproles has been one of my favorite players for years. Nevertheless, I don't see what he gives them that they didn't already have and I think that he has been in decline for the last two seasons.

To me, the loss of Vick is a big deal if Foles misses much time due to injury this season because his current backups can't play at all.

So I don't think think they're any better than they were last season but they are solid in the trenches, they have a good QB, an above average receiving corps, and a great RB. Overall, they're a good, competitive team and I think they deserve to be the favorite to win the NFC East at this time.

[Lotus]

Champ Bailey votes for the name to change FWIW.

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[over the mountain]

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1073857 Seems like they were two guys alot of fans wanted that we may now be glad that we didn't. [/QUOTE]

to early to call those signings bad imo. eagles fans could be saying the same thing about D Jax right now ....

the most interesting div rival to me this year will be all of them. i know its cliche but its true to me this year more than most since it seems everyone is even with questions marks w philly leading the opinion polls by a nose ...

now that i think about it .. i hope we stick it to philly twice this year more than the giants or boys.

[CRedskinsRule]

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[Alvin Walton]

Vick wasn't even playing.
How is he a big loss?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Vick wasn't even playing.
How is he a big loss?

Vick was able to come in and run Kelly's offense, and had pro-experience. Before last year's run, Foles was not looking like the real deal, maybe he has matured and will be great, but if he reverts back to form, the lack of a quality back up will bite them (like it would any team in the NFL).

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Vick wasn't even playing.
How is he a big loss?

I have to agree. The switch from Vick to Foles and getting rid of Vick was win-win. Vick is a walking injury waiting to happen. Plus he makes too much to be a backup. The eagles are better off.
Who cares that the backups are not experienced. They will gain experience.

Plus the Eagles have a much improved offensive line. I think they have the best O-line in the NFC East. That is a big advantage when you can run the ball and protect your QB. Takes a ton of pressure off the QB.
49ers and Seahawks have great O-lines/running games and great defense. Great recipe for winning.