Fix the Line Thread

[diehardskin2982]

I created this thread to talk about how the skins can fix the O-line in 2015.

Currently we have two lineman worth keeping in their positions: Trent Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger. I don't think the best solution is to draft a bunch of guy's because 1. the Redskins don't develop line talent 2. We don't play them.

Spencer Long should be playing these last few games. It won't happen but it should happen. I want him to take the starting role from Chester in 15.

Mike Iupati should be their number 1 target in the offseason. He is a mauler and the arguably the 49ers best lineman. He would take over the LG spot.

Brandon Scherff is the best olineman in the draft according to CBS and he could come at Right Tackle, if drafted. I think we need a safety more than a tackle in the first. Morgan Moses showed flashes however I am not sure how he will come back from that injury.

Lastly we need a new O-Line coach, I have beating the drum for Russ Grimm forever but doubt that happens, so I would like to know who is the best OLine coach for the West Coast Offense?



My suggested starting line in 15

LT Williams
LG Iupati
C Lich
RG Long
RT Moses or draft someone that played RT at the college level.

Thoughts?

[SFREDSKIN]

We do have 3 3rd rounders sitting on the bench, I expect at least 2 starters (being optimistic)

[calia]

My initial thought is that one could easily say fix the lines. (Not to manage your thread.) The D line needs an upgrade too, as evidneced by yesterday's game. We get no QB pressure from the D line at all, and only Hatcher seems to have had an impact this year (and he's been banged up). Decent run stopping, but that's not enough.

Back to the O-line, penciling in Long or Moses may be too hopeful. That they've not been able to work their way into the starting lineup as badly as our starters have played is a little troubling. I know Moses is hurt (and I worry there that a lisfranc will be very hard to bounce back from), but still. I think we need several more new faces on the O-Line -- both G slots, RT, and some additional depth at center. That's a lot to rebuild in one year, even putting aside the need for D line help and, of course, safety help.

[donofriose]

Through the draft. Like any smart team would. You also need depth on the oline

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

My suggested starting line in 15

LT Williams
LG Iupati
C Lich
RG Long
RT Moses or draft someone that played RT at the college level.

Thoughts?

We're gonna get killed.

The way I feel is that the Redskins have allowed 53 sacks so far this season. A ridiculous number. No one has really earned a starting spot, save T. Williams but he's been half-assing it because of injury (not his fault, really).

The Skins really need to clean house, especially with Chester and Polumbus. Luvao and Lich I feel are bubble players who'll probably be back next year because we can't ACTUALLY clean house on the starting line completely... Continue to develop Long, Moses and Compton. None of whom should be starting next season unless they make some enormous strides during off-season and pre-season next year. But... I can understand if they do because we can't continue to hold everyone back.

I meant Moses or Compton. They both seem merely average so far, so I hope they have a upside and can be developed.

Long I'm still iffy about because if he can't beat out Chester for starting these last couple of games, that feels somewhat like a red flag because Chester flat out sucks.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

We're gonna get killed.

The way I feel is that the Redskins have allowed 53 sacks so far this season. A ridiculous number. No one has really earned a starting spot, save T. Williams but he's been half-assing it because of injury (not his fault, really).

The Skins really need to clean house, especially with Chester and Polumbus. Luvao and Lich I feel are bubble players who'll probably be back next year because we can't ACTUALLY clean house on the starting line completely... Continue to develop Long, Moses and Compton. None of whom should be starting next season unless they make some enormous strides during off-season and pre-season next year. But... I can understand if they do because we can't continue to hold everyone back.

I meant Moses or Compton. They both seem merely average so far, so I hope they have a upside and can be developed.

Long I'm still iffy about because if he can't beat out Chester for starting these last couple of games, that feels somewhat like a red flag because Chester flat out sucks.

Pretty much sums it up.

I might take the best offensive tackle with our first round pick and let that person battle with Trent for LT, loser moves to RT. The Patriots have taken this same approach and it works.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

I might take the best offensive tackle with our first round pick and let that person battle with Trent for LT, loser moves to RT. The Patriots have taken this same approach and it works.

That's retarded. You don't pay at RT top money so why in the fuck would you ever move TW (who's being paid a king's fortune) to the RT? Also, our guards are bigger issues than RT so drafting a RT with the top pick would be wasted.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

That's retarded. You don't pay at RT top money so why in the fuck would you ever move TW (who's being paid a king's fortune) to the RT? Also, our guards are bigger issues than RT so drafting a RT with the top pick would be wasted.

Chill out big girl. We need a solid RT, it's been a turnstyle for too long. Williams has really struggled this year, maybe you give him benefit of the doubt with injury but he looks fat and slow too. Need to push him.

Patriots and Ravens actually have handled tackle position this way, but go on supporting the Redskins way chica, it's worked so well lmao.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Chill out big girl. We need a solid RT, it's been a turnstyle for too long. Williams has really struggled this year, maybe you give him benefit of the doubt with injury but he looks fat and slow too. Need to push him.

Patriots and Ravens actually have handled tackle position this way, but go on supporting the Redskins way chica, it's worked so well lmao.

..and do tell, how much are the Patriots paying said RT?


You don't have to be a douche bag. Thanks.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

We're gonna get killed.

The way I feel is that the Redskins have allowed 53 sacks so far this season. A ridiculous number. No one has really earned a starting spot, save T. Williams but he's been half-assing it because of injury (not his fault, really).

The Skins really need to clean house, especially with Chester and Polumbus. Luvao and Lich I feel are bubble players who'll probably be back next year because we can't ACTUALLY clean house on the starting line completely... Continue to develop Long, Moses and Compton. None of whom should be starting next season unless they make some enormous strides during off-season and pre-season next year. But... I can understand if they do because we can't continue to hold everyone back.

I meant Moses or Compton. They both seem merely average so far, so I hope they have a upside and can be developed.

Long I'm still iffy about because if he can't beat out Chester for starting these last couple of games, that feels somewhat like a red flag because Chester flat out sucks.

Agree with 99% of what you're saying.

The sack number can be spun different ways depending on who ya like.

Griffin has been sacked 10% of total dropbacks. Mccoy and Cousins sacked 4% of total dropbacks. (Stat courtesy of The Drive on espn 980)

Unless there is a vast locker room conspiracy to not block for Griffin, some of it is on the qb.

I really like the way Licht has played this year. 77 was not playing good earlier this year, he still isn't good but he has improved from the beginning of the year.

Chester and polumbus are out based on the cap and performance.

Compton hasn't been terrible, especially in the run (not exactly a ringing endorsement here) but geez when he whiffs, he kills our qb.

Hope Trent can get healthy.

Really like drafting Long, I wish we could see him.

Jury still out on Moses. I took the SF game as a ray of hope because he didn't embarrass himself. The bar has sunk that low.

[Chico23231]

First thing is fire the Oline coach

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

First thing is fire the Oline coach

...who has not developed anyone

[Hog1]

Get a lot of better guys and revel in the pure joy of cutting some of the chaff on our current line........

[Hijinx]

One thing that should be addressed is seeing if you can extend/restructure Williams contract. He stands to make about $14 million next year, which is 10% of total team salary. I think that makes him the highest paid O-lineman in the NFL. Plus it is the last year of his contract.

The Skins spent the 4th most on O-line this year, and I don't know what they got for it. I will tell you the protection problems are more than just the O-line. The blocking by the TEs and RBs has been god awful this year. And whoever the QB is needs to recognize the defenses and be smart enough to check out of plays or hit the hot route. I can not remember seeing one play this year where a play was changed at the LoS.

[calia]

I sure hope we can re-structure with Trent in a way that makes him want to stay. If he's looking for a way to get to a contender, his salary and our obvious desire to do something about it will create that opportunity.

Yikes.