New 4th and 15 rule..................

Giantone · 03-25-2019, 03:34 PM

What do you guys think of it? I'm not for it .

"The new rule would give teams the option to not kick off after scoring in the fourth quarter. They are then put into a 4th and 15 situation on their own 35-yard line. If the team converts, they keep the ball. According to Mara, the competition committee likes the idea"

............Mara is the only one that voted against it.

skinsfaninok · 03-25-2019, 03:38 PM

LMAO Sorry but this is some backyard football XFL shit. No way

FrenchSkin · 03-25-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

LMAO Sorry but this is some backyard football XFL shit. No way

Agreed. Arcade video game stuff shouldn't belong in this sport at this level.

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gibbsrcnfan · 03-25-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

LMAO Sorry but this is some backyard football XFL shit. No way

lol ,i'm in total agreement ..let me hit the pause button.

CRedskinsRule · 03-25-2019, 03:41 PM

Since onside kicks are basically unobtainable with the new rule, I like it. Just have to realize that kickoffs are on their way out.

Buffalo Bob · 03-25-2019, 03:55 PM

What percentage of 4 and 15 are converted compared to recovering an onside kick?

Chico23231 · 03-25-2019, 03:52 PM

why not? of course Mara is an idiot

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-25-2019, 04:04 PM

Its intriguing, but I don't like it.

The reason this change is being proposed is because other rule changes have made on-side kicks even more unlikely to succeed than they were previously.

But this proposed change takes, what was a special teams play, and gives it to the offense. Fundamentally, i don't like that, and i think teams would do this with success much more frequently. As a result, what has always been historically been a last-ditch, "hail mary" type-play to give the losing team a glimmer of hope now becomes something that is fairly easily attainable. It's giving the losing team a significant advantage compared to what they've had historically.

And why do we want to do that, other than to add "unearned" drama into a game? If a team wants to win a game, they should play better during the first 56 minutes of regulation. The league shouldn't give them a boost to help them win games when their play for 56 minutes shows they don't deserve it.

FrenchSkin · 03-25-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its intriguing, but I don't like it.

The reason this change is being proposed is because other rule changes have made on-side kicks even more unlikely to succeed than they were previously.

But this proposed change takes, what was a special teams play, and gives it to the offense. Fundamentally, i don't like that, and i think teams would do this with success much more frequently. As a result, what has always been historically been a last-ditch, "hail mary" type-play to give the losing team a glimmer of hope now becomes something that is fairly easily attainable. It's giving the losing team a significant advantage compared to what they've had historically.

And why do we want to do that, other than to add "unearned" drama into a game? If a team wants to win a game, they should play better during the first 56 minutes of regulation. The league shouldn't give them a boost to help them win games when their play for 56 minutes shows they don't deserve it.

Agreed, plus trying to help come backs doesn't add drama, it takes some away IMO.
The drama comes from the idea that a team will manage to do something highly unlikely, not that they'll manage something that we're trying to put them in position to be able to do...
Okay, I know, a 4th and 15 is not a gimme, but this sport and its rules are a beauty, they make sense, as a whole. After a score, the ball is put back in play by a kickoff. Like in so many other sports.
Giving the ball back to the offense that just scored makes no sense at all.

MTK · 03-25-2019, 04:09 PM

Well they have to do something because the current rules have essentially phased out the onsides kick.

And oh yeah Mara is a dick

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sevier2 · 03-25-2019, 04:27 PM

I'm all for some sort of new format but pumping more OFFENSE into the game isn't what we need.

The current Onside Kick is all but phased-out. I'm just hoping they replace the special teams play with a new special teams play...

skinsfan69 · 03-25-2019, 04:34 PM

I love this rule. They have made onside kicks impossible to recover. Put the offense back out on the field and add more drama to the game.

Giantone · 03-25-2019, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I love this rule. They have made onside kicks impossible to recover. Put the offense back out on the field and add more drama to the game.

No they haven't ,harder yeah but that's where the coach's earn their money ,so I guess there will be no more special teams play .

jamf · 03-25-2019, 06:10 PM

I guess we will see more Chris Thompson screen.

mooby · 03-25-2019, 06:33 PM

First things first, fuck John Mara.

I like the concept, as everybody knows the onside kick is now basically useless. And I agree with everyone else they shouldn't put the ball back in the offense's hands for another play.

So they need to create a new special teams play. But the conflict lies in the fact they are trying to eliminate kickoffs as that is one of the more dangerous parts of the game. So what special teams play can be created that doesn't resemble a kickoff? Idk the answer to that one.

03-25-2019, 03:34 PM	#1
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,060	New 4th and 15 rule.................. What do you guys think of it? I'm not for it . "The new rule would give teams the option to not kick off after scoring in the fourth quarter. They are then put into a 4th and 15 situation on their own 35-yard line. If the team converts, they keep the ball. According to Mara, the competition committee likes the idea" ............Mara is the only one that voted against it. __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.

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skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,161	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. LMAO Sorry but this is some backyard football XFL shit. No way __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

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CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,465	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. Since onside kicks are basically unobtainable with the new rule, I like it. Just have to realize that kickoffs are on their way out.

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Buffalo Bob The Starter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Beaverdam Virginia Age: 64 Posts: 2,137	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. What percentage of 4 and 15 are converted compared to recovering an onside kick?

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Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,660	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. why not? of course Mara is an idiot __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

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BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. Its intriguing, but I don't like it. The reason this change is being proposed is because other rule changes have made on-side kicks even more unlikely to succeed than they were previously. But this proposed change takes, what was a special teams play, and gives it to the offense. Fundamentally, i don't like that, and i think teams would do this with success much more frequently. As a result, what has always been historically been a last-ditch, "hail mary" type-play to give the losing team a glimmer of hope now becomes something that is fairly easily attainable. It's giving the losing team a significant advantage compared to what they've had historically. And why do we want to do that, other than to add "unearned" drama into a game? If a team wants to win a game, they should play better during the first 56 minutes of regulation. The league shouldn't give them a boost to help them win games when their play for 56 minutes shows they don't deserve it. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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sevier2 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 538	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. I'm all for some sort of new format but pumping more OFFENSE into the game isn't what we need. The current Onside Kick is all but phased-out. I'm just hoping they replace the special teams play with a new special teams play... __________________ This is an environment of welcoming and you should just get the hell out of here.

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skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,350	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. I love this rule. They have made onside kicks impossible to recover. Put the offense back out on the field and add more drama to the game.

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jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,324	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. I guess we will see more Chris Thompson screen.

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mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,480	Re: New 4th and 15 rule.................. First things first, fuck John Mara. I like the concept, as everybody knows the onside kick is now basically useless. And I agree with everyone else they shouldn't put the ball back in the offense's hands for another play. So they need to create a new special teams play. But the conflict lies in the fact they are trying to eliminate kickoffs as that is one of the more dangerous parts of the game. So what special teams play can be created that doesn't resemble a kickoff? Idk the answer to that one.

New 4th and 15 rule..................

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