3-4 vs. 4-3

sdskinsfan2001 · 09-16-2019, 02:40 PM

I know we run multiple fronts, but our "base" is 3-4.

Feels like we've always been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

I would really prefer our base was a 4-3.

DE - Sweat, Kerrigan
DT - Bama Boys (with great rotation with Matty and Settle)
OLB - Dion Hamilton or Harvey-Clemons, Holcomb
MLB - Bostic (Hamilton could play here too)

I think our talent fits this better and it would keep our DTs so much fresher throughout the game.

skinsfaninok · 09-16-2019, 02:44 PM

With our personnel we are better fit for 4-3 and on the back end as well. Most 4-3 teams run QTRS coverage which is Cover 4, that is for teams that lack the speed in the secondary as each player is responsible for 1/4 of the field.. We are running Cover 3 and praying Montae can cover the space... Another inept coaching decision

sdskinsfan2001 · 09-16-2019, 02:51 PM

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With our personnel we are better fit for 4-3 and on the back end as well. Most 4-3 teams run QTRS coverage which is Cover 4, that is for teams that lack the speed in the secondary as each player is responsible for 1/4 of the field.. We are running Cover 3 and praying Montae can cover the space... Another inept coaching decision

Nicholson - Fast, zero discipline
Apke - Fast, not very good
Moreau - Fast and injured

Speed is definitely a concern. Even with the speed guys we have, we have issues.

skinsfan69 · 09-16-2019, 04:13 PM

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Nicholson - Fast, zero discipline
Apke - Fast, not very good
Moreau - Fast and injured

Speed is definitely a concern. Even with the speed guys we have, we have issues.

It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.

SunnySide · 09-16-2019, 04:19 PM

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It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.

Apke at corner? Hes a project at safety projected to be out of the league in 3.3 years

sdskinsfan2001 · 09-16-2019, 04:24 PM

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It's pretty sad that they put in broken down old as dirt DRC over Apke. DRC was literally limping around the field. Apke must be a total bust.

Apke was a 6th or 7th round flyer. Don't even blame him. He was never going to play up to the level he was picked at.

Went from thinking the defense would be a strength to realizing we're not even close yet and still need way more upgrades.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 09-17-2019, 10:16 AM

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Apke was a 6th or 7th round flyer. Don't even blame him. He was never going to play up to the level he was picked at.

Went from thinking the defense would be a strength to realizing we're not even close yet and still need way more upgrades.

A good old 4th round pick wasted on him. He is great in Madden though lol

jamf · 01-02-2020, 02:35 PM

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Apke was a 6th or 7th round flyer. Don't even blame him. He was never going to play up to the level he was picked at.

Went from thinking the defense would be a strength to realizing we're not even close yet and still need way more upgrades.

Exactly! He's been a great pick for just his ST contributions alone. Is every draft pick expected to be a starter? He fills the role as secondary backup and special teams coverage ace. We got 2nd round picks as backups (anderson). Apke was drafted in the appropriate spot.

calia · 09-16-2019, 02:50 PM

Even if this is accurate (and I don't profess to know enough about football to have a strong opinion), is it realistic to expect the team to switch in season? Is that done (successfully or otherwise)?

sdskinsfan2001 · 09-16-2019, 02:54 PM

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Even if this is accurate (and I don't profess to know enough about football to have a strong opinion), is it realistic to expect the team to switch in season? Is that done (successfully or otherwise)?

With our coaching staff? They can't seem to coach any scheme lol. But we run some 4-3 already, so in theory, it should be doable.

skinsfaninok · 09-16-2019, 03:05 PM

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Even if this is accurate (and I don't profess to know enough about football to have a strong opinion), is it realistic to expect the team to switch in season? Is that done (successfully or otherwise)?

That is hard to do in the season, i'm sure its possible since they are all pro athletes but I doubt the team would even try it

sdskinsfan2001 · 09-16-2019, 03:09 PM

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That is hard to do in the season, i'm sure its possible since they are all pro athletes but I doubt the team would even try it

Manusky won't even try rushing 5 guys. I want our next HC to be a defensive minded coach. I actually want the Cowboys DC as our HC.

skinsfaninok · 09-16-2019, 03:17 PM

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Manusky won't even try rushing 5 guys. I want our next HC to be a defensive minded coach. I actually want the Cowboys DC as our HC.

me too, said it last yr but will he come to this shit?

sdskinsfan2001 · 09-16-2019, 03:23 PM

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me too, said it last yr but will he come to this shit?

Pride and $$$, yeah, I think we can get just about any coordinator to be our HC. Only 32 jobs available, risky game to pass on any of them.

VTSkins1961 · 09-16-2019, 03:01 PM

should have never tried the 3-4 in my opinion. Hasn't worked out well for us at all. I prefer 4-3 and seeing that we run it sometimes, as stated earlier, it should be doable

09-16-2019, 02:40 PM	#1
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 41 Posts: 20,144	3-4 vs. 4-3 I know we run multiple fronts, but our "base" is 3-4. Feels like we've always been trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I would really prefer our base was a 4-3. DE - Sweat, Kerrigan DT - Bama Boys (with great rotation with Matty and Settle) OLB - Dion Hamilton or Harvey-Clemons, Holcomb MLB - Bostic (Hamilton could play here too) I think our talent fits this better and it would keep our DTs so much fresher throughout the game. __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

09-16-2019, 02:44 PM	#2
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,137	Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3 With our personnel we are better fit for 4-3 and on the back end as well. Most 4-3 teams run QTRS coverage which is Cover 4, that is for teams that lack the speed in the secondary as each player is responsible for 1/4 of the field.. We are running Cover 3 and praying Montae can cover the space... Another inept coaching decision __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

09-16-2019, 02:50 PM	#9
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 56 Posts: 3,539	Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3 Even if this is accurate (and I don't profess to know enough about football to have a strong opinion), is it realistic to expect the team to switch in season? Is that done (successfully or otherwise)? __________________ "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?" "I'm all for it." -- Coach McKay

09-16-2019, 03:01 PM	#15
VTSkins1961 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 386	Re: 3-4 vs. 4-3 should have never tried the 3-4 in my opinion. Hasn't worked out well for us at all. I prefer 4-3 and seeing that we run it sometimes, as stated earlier, it should be doable

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