Taylor or Winslow...

Redskins8588 · 04-01-2004, 09:15 PM

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2274910

I will be the first to admit that I really dont get in to college football. With that being said I never seen Taylor or Winslow play, all I know about them is what is said on here and what I read. After reading this article I made up my mind as to who I believe we should take in this months draft. TAYLOR!!!!

I base this on the idea that defense wins championships. From the way this article talked about Winslow he sounds to more of a TE/WR rather than the TE/blocker that Gibbs likes. Make no doubt about it he still would be a great pick, but we are set at WR so to me it would make no sence to draft him if he is known more for his recieving skills and not his blocking skills.

As for drafting Taylor, I think that his presence will help not only with the pass rush but also with turn-overs.

Although if there is a possiblity that we somehow could attain both in the draft than I say do it!!!

Hail to the Redskins · 04-01-2004, 09:17 PM

Matty ... or any other moderator.... can we get a poll up on this one?

Taylor or Winslow at #5 straight up... no other options... :thumb:

SmootSmack · 04-01-2004, 09:27 PM

Hail, the poll is up

Riggo44 · 04-01-2004, 09:51 PM

I like Winslow! He can be as good as Shockey is for N.Y!

Redskins8588 · 04-01-2004, 09:59 PM

Maybe but it sounds as if Winslow fits the TE mold of KC'S Tony G. rather than NY'S Shockey.

joecrisp · 04-01-2004, 10:19 PM

If Winslow were drafted by the Redskins, he would be used more in the H-back role than the blocking TE role in Gibbs' offense.

The assessment that Winslow would be a poor fit as a TE in Washington would be pretty accurate, in that the TE is used more as a pure blocker, like an extra offensive tackle. However, Winslow would be a perfect fit in the H-back spot, as the H-back is a more versatile position that requires the player to be a pass receiver, lead blocker, or second tight end, moving in motion to optimize the effectiveness of each play, depending on how the defense lines up. The H-back is critical to Gibbs' gameplan, as it keeps the defense off-balance, forcing them to account for that player as a receiver and a blocker, while never knowing where that player may wind up by the time the ball is snapped.

Winslow could be the ultimate weapon as an H-back. He may not be the greatest blocker, but he's more than adequate, and you can't deny the impact an athlete like Winslow would have as a receiver.

I voted for Winslow, but I sure as heck wouldn't be disappointed if the Skins took Taylor instead. It's a no-lose situation if you ask me.

JoeGibbsIsBack · 04-01-2004, 10:33 PM

You say "if he can block", if you think Shockey does anything resembling blocking then Winslow mine as well be an All-Pro tackle in your book. Winslow can block and tries hard to block. And don't worry, TE Walter Rasby whom the Front Office signed this offseason is the blocking TE and the whole reason Winslow would be brought in is for the H-Back. Especially since we traded Brian Johnson. I think Ohalate can play and keep improving and the only real position with no sure-fire starter on offense is H-Back. Defense has a few more holes so if I'm the Redskins, I try to sign D. Gardener when he is released by making room with the absence of Trotter and fill out the Offense by getting Winslow.

Redskins8588 · 04-01-2004, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeGibbsIsBack

You say "if he can block", if you think Shockey does anything resembling blocking then Winslow mine as well be an All-Pro tackle in your book. Winslow can block and tries hard to block. And don't worry, TE Walter Rasby whom the Front Office signed this offseason is the blocking TE and the whole reason Winslow would be brought in is for the H-Back. Especially since we traded Brian Johnson. I think Ohalate can play and keep improving and the only real position with no sure-fire starter on offense is H-Back. Defense has a few more holes so if I'm the Redskins, I try to sign D. Gardener when he is released by making room with the absence of Trotter and fill out the Offense by getting Winslow.

I am not sure who this is directed to, but I am not comparing Shockey to Winslow, as a matter of fact IMO I think that they have totaly different playing styles. Shockey seems to try to run over his tacklers where as Winslow tries to avoid the tacklers and use his speed and smarts to elude them.

No doubt about it he would solidify our offense, but if our opponents can't score they can't win!!!!

JoeGibbsIsBack · 04-02-2004, 07:26 AM

True about defense but you could look at it two ways. Its also been said the best defense is a great offense.

SkinsRock · 04-02-2004, 10:28 AM

I also don't really watch much college ball like Redskins8588, so I'm mainly going on what I've read here and on other sites. I would be very happy with either of them, but I chose Taylor, mainly because at this point we need more help on defense...but Winslow would really make the offense sick too...
:headbange

Redskins8588 · 04-02-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeGibbsIsBack

True about defense but you could look at it two ways. Its also been said the best defense is a great offense.

Do you think that is what the Colts thought when they played NE in the AFC title game??

Defensewins · 04-02-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeGibbsIsBack

True about defense but you could look at it two ways. Its also been said the best defense is a great offense.

I think KC will disagree with you as well, they got crushed in the playoffs.
It was said all year by the so-called "experts" that KC had the best offense in the NFL during the regular season 2003. The Colts came in a close second. They both were beat soundly in the playoffs. Payton Manning had something like 4 interceptions?
Every team that has won the Superbowl since 2000 has won with strong defense.

2003.... New England
2002.....Tampa Bay
2001.....New England
2000.....Baltimore

None of these teams has a scary offense. They won with defense.

MTK · 04-02-2004, 11:16 AM

wow this poll isn't even close, I'm kinda surprised

Defensewins · 04-02-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

wow this poll isn't even close, I'm kinda surprised

This should not come as a suprise. The reason is very obvious

... we need to upgrade our defense more than our offense. We have not drafted a defensive player w/our top pick in the draft in four years. Arrington in 2000 was the last one. It is the Defense's turn to get a top player.
Recent top picks:

2003......Taylor Jacobs and Derrick Dockery
2002......Patrick Ramsey and Ledell Betts
2001......Rod Gardner
2000......Lavar Arrington

I think it is time for Snyder/Cerrato to realize, a high powered Offense sells tickets but Strong defense wins championships. The problem is drafting Defensive players does not get the headlines Snyder craves.

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 04-02-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think it is time for Snyder/Cerrato to realize, high a powered Offense sells tickets but Strong defense wins championships. The problem is drafting Defensive players does not get the headlines Snyder craves.

Good point. I think that Portis & Brunnel should check the "high-powered offense" block. Time to look to the D.

View Poll Results: Who Should the Redskins Draft at #5
Sean Taylor	47	85.45%
Kellen Winslow	8	14.55%
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll

04-01-2004, 09:15 PM	#1
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Taylor or Winslow... http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2274910 I will be the first to admit that I really dont get in to college football. With that being said I never seen Taylor or Winslow play, all I know about them is what is said on here and what I read. After reading this article I made up my mind as to who I believe we should take in this months draft. TAYLOR!!!! I base this on the idea that defense wins championships. From the way this article talked about Winslow he sounds to more of a TE/WR rather than the TE/blocker that Gibbs likes. Make no doubt about it he still would be a great pick, but we are set at WR so to me it would make no sence to draft him if he is known more for his recieving skills and not his blocking skills. As for drafting Taylor, I think that his presence will help not only with the pass rush but also with turn-overs. Although if there is a possiblity that we somehow could attain both in the draft than I say do it!!!

04-01-2004, 09:17 PM	#2
Hail to the Redskins The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,687	Matty ... or any other moderator.... can we get a poll up on this one? Taylor or Winslow at #5 straight up... no other options... :thumb: __________________ “Sometimes it is not enough to our best; we must do what is required.” - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

04-01-2004, 09:27 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Hail, the poll is up __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-01-2004, 09:51 PM	#4
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	I like Winslow! He can be as good as Shockey is for N.Y! __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

04-01-2004, 09:59 PM	#5
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Maybe but it sounds as if Winslow fits the TE mold of KC'S Tony G. rather than NY'S Shockey.

04-01-2004, 10:19 PM	#6
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	If Winslow were drafted by the Redskins, he would be used more in the H-back role than the blocking TE role in Gibbs' offense. The assessment that Winslow would be a poor fit as a TE in Washington would be pretty accurate, in that the TE is used more as a pure blocker, like an extra offensive tackle. However, Winslow would be a perfect fit in the H-back spot, as the H-back is a more versatile position that requires the player to be a pass receiver, lead blocker, or second tight end, moving in motion to optimize the effectiveness of each play, depending on how the defense lines up. The H-back is critical to Gibbs' gameplan, as it keeps the defense off-balance, forcing them to account for that player as a receiver and a blocker, while never knowing where that player may wind up by the time the ball is snapped. Winslow could be the ultimate weapon as an H-back. He may not be the greatest blocker, but he's more than adequate, and you can't deny the impact an athlete like Winslow would have as a receiver. I voted for Winslow, but I sure as heck wouldn't be disappointed if the Skins took Taylor instead. It's a no-lose situation if you ask me.

04-01-2004, 10:33 PM	#7
JoeGibbsIsBack Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 31	You say "if he can block", if you think Shockey does anything resembling blocking then Winslow mine as well be an All-Pro tackle in your book. Winslow can block and tries hard to block. And don't worry, TE Walter Rasby whom the Front Office signed this offseason is the blocking TE and the whole reason Winslow would be brought in is for the H-Back. Especially since we traded Brian Johnson. I think Ohalate can play and keep improving and the only real position with no sure-fire starter on offense is H-Back. Defense has a few more holes so if I'm the Redskins, I try to sign D. Gardener when he is released by making room with the absence of Trotter and fill out the Offense by getting Winslow.

04-02-2004, 07:26 AM	#9
JoeGibbsIsBack Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 31	True about defense but you could look at it two ways. Its also been said the best defense is a great offense.

04-02-2004, 10:28 AM	#10
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	I also don't really watch much college ball like Redskins8588, so I'm mainly going on what I've read here and on other sites. I would be very happy with either of them, but I chose Taylor, mainly because at this point we need more help on defense...but Winslow would really make the offense sick too... :headbange

04-02-2004, 11:16 AM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,570	wow this poll isn't even close, I'm kinda surprised

Taylor or Winslow...

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