Putting Things in Perspective

[skinsguy]

After watching the preseason game once more, I am actually alot more confident about our team. I believe our offensive line is deep this year. Everbody, back-ups and all, protected all three of our quarterbacks extremely well. We have alot of very good talent at wide receiver, and Antonio Brown is my new favorite player! I think he can be a big factor for us this year....but I won't confirm that until I watch him duplicate his efforts in the next game.

We should have no problems at running back this year! I am extremely impressed with "Nemo", as long as he can hold on to the ball when he crosses the goal line! ;-) Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts should have a great season this year!

I was also extremely impressed with Jason Campbell. Yeah I know, he was playing against the second and third string defense, but he looked comfortable and showed poise in the hurry up offense. Brunell had an excellent game as well, but I want to see him duplicate those efforts in our next game.

I'm holding my breath with Patrick Ramsey right now. He didn't look very comfortable, but he did have pretty decent numbers. Maybe Patrick is just going to be one of those QBs who has to start out on the little stuff to get warmed up. I just hope he looks more comfortable against Cincy than what he did against Carolina.

I can't really assess the defense since there were so many guys out, but I believe we'll see more from them in the next game.

All in all, there were plenty of positives and negatives from the game. We only scored 10 points, same ol' story, but we had two drives that could have easily ended in scores.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm holding my breath with Patrick Ramsey right now. He didn't look very comfortable, but he did have pretty decent numbers. Maybe Patrick is just going to be one of those QBs who has to start out on the little stuff to get warmed up.

You know I watched the buffalo indy scrimmage for a while today and noticed Losman (another tulane QB) was very fidgety in the pocket, even when working out of the shotgun, and constantly pumped the ball into his other hand. He looked decent, other than that.

I know its his first year as a starter, but in all fairness, this is kind of ramsey's first year starting too. Maybe it has something to do with Tulane not concentrating too much on footwork.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

...but in all fairness, this is kind of ramsey's first year starting too.

No it's not. Ramsey was handed the starting job in 2003. He lost the battle in preseason last year because he looked just as bad through 5 exhibition games as he did the other night against Carolina.

I'm sick of the excuses for Patrick Ramsey. It's time to freaking show us what he's got and start winning some games.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

No it's not. Ramsey was handed the starting job in 2003. He lost the battle in preseason last year because he looked just as bad through 5 exhibition games as he did the other night against Carolina.

I'm sick of the excuses for Patrick Ramsey. It's time to freaking show us what he's got and start winning some games.

I dont know if anyone would consider anything that happened in 2003 legitimate. He had no run support, no line support, no protection, no coaching staff, and no job security. His coach wanted werfull (or however you spell it.) Last year was like his rookie season, because it was his first year in a controlled system of professional football. He got thrown to the dogs in the middle of last year, because Brunell couldnt throw past the LOS. Hell he couldnt throw behind it either. Hell he couldn't manage a handoff, or a center exchange. I recall Ramsey won a few games last year doing exactly what was asked of him. Ball control. Look at his turnovers after he won the starting job.

No one is making excuses for ramsey because no one sould have to after the first preseason game of the season. Believe me, he's our absolute best option out of what we have.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I dont know if anyone would consider anything that happened in 2003 legitimate ... No one is making excuses for ramsey because no one sould have to after the first preseason game of the season.

The first preseason game for Ramsey was also the first preseason game for Jake Delhomme and Chris Weinke -- both of whom looked astoundingly better than Patrick Ramsey.

Your statement about 2003 not being "legitimate" is purely subjective, and qualifies only as an opinion. That Patrick Ramsey did, in fact, win the starting job in 2003 is indisputable fact; and completely destroys the notion that this year -- 2005 -- is Ramsey's first year starting as a rookie.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The first preseason game for Ramsey was also the first preseason game for Jake Delhomme and Chris Weinke -- both of whom looked astoundingly better than Patrick Ramsey.

Your statement about 2003 not being "legitimate" is purely subjective, and qualifies only as an opinion. That Patrick Ramsey did, in fact, win the starting job in 2003 is indisputable fact; and completely destroys the notion that this year -- 2005 -- is Ramsey's first year starting as a rookie.

It was also the first preseason game for McNabb, Plummer, Losman, Harrington, and Rothlesburger. Those are the guys I saw that had pretty sub par performances in their first preseason game. I wonder If they're having QB contraversies? (I know harrington is... i'll save you the correction lol) Delhomme and Weinke are pretty sub-par QBs. If we're comparing, McNabb finished with a lower completion percentage than Ramsey 64% as opposed to 67% with one more TD and more yards, but 1.6257x the passes. McNabb threw a pick on his first pass.

Yes it is subjective, and thats why I said "I don't know if anyone would consider..." At this point you're being redundant. Of course it's subjective. If you didn't post anything subjective, this would be a news article. Just stats,facts, and maybe some history; no banter or opinion. Another fact that escapes you is that fact itself doesn't "destroy" notions. One can actually base a notion on ideas, and opinions, and sustain it through all facts. You ever watch the O.J. trial? A lot of non-fact notions came out on top there lol. (I just completely discredited my argument, I know lol)

[monk81]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

After watching the preseason game once more, I am actually alot more confident about our team. I believe our offensive line is deep this year. Everbody, back-ups and all, protected all three of our quarterbacks extremely well. We have alot of very good talent at wide receiver, and Antonio Brown is my new favorite player! I think he can be a big factor for us this year....but I won't confirm that until I watch him duplicate his efforts in the next game.

We should have no problems at running back this year! I am extremely impressed with "Nemo", as long as he can hold on to the ball when he crosses the goal line! ;-) Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts should have a great season this year!

I was also extremely impressed with Jason Campbell. Yeah I know, he was playing against the second and third string defense, but he looked comfortable and showed poise in the hurry up offense. Brunell had an excellent game as well, but I want to see him duplicate those efforts in our next game.

I'm holding my breath with Patrick Ramsey right now. He didn't look very comfortable, but he did have pretty decent numbers. Maybe Patrick is just going to be one of those QBs who has to start out on the little stuff to get warmed up. I just hope he looks more comfortable against Cincy than what he did against Carolina.

I can't really assess the defense since there were so many guys out, but I believe we'll see more from them in the next game.

All in all, there were plenty of positives and negatives from the game. We only scored 10 points, same ol' story, but we had two drives that could have easily ended in scores.

Good Posts.............I agree with your comments. I'm glad our O line is looking good. Antonio Brown and Nemo did play well...although Brown has a long way to go to make-up for that fumble that cost us the Dallas game last year with 1:34 to go. Taylor also played well, perhaps he is concentrating on football now instead of his extracurricular activities. Interesting that Gibbs kept him in the game a long long time....perhaps to make up for his missed OTAs.........

[htownskinfan]

It's hard to judge anything from preseason,I would think especially at Qb,remember when Spurrier came in,what were the scores of those preseason games? Wuerfel and Matthews looked like allpros,got all our hopes up,then they crashed and burned

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

After watching the preseason game once more, I am actually alot more confident about our team ... All in all, there were plenty of positives and negatives from the game. We only scored 10 points, same ol' story, but we had two drives that could have easily ended in scores.

'Plenty of positives'? I don't see how there's anything positive about that game. As to your points about the O-line, the starting unit had two drives against the Panther second teamers and went nowhere before Gibbs finally gave up and pulled them.

The fact that there were two drives that could have ended in scores but didn't shows us exactly the same problems they suffered from last year.

That doesn't give me much confidence.

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

'Plenty of positives'? I don't see how there's anything positive about that game. As to your points about the O-line, the starting unit had two drives against the Panther second teamers and went nowhere before Gibbs finally gave up and pulled them.

The fact that there were two drives that could have ended in scores but didn't shows us exactly the same problems they suffered from last year.

That doesn't give me much confidence.

You can't read into the preseason too much, especially the first game. Its easy to be realistic, pessimistic, and quick to judge when we don't play well - but if the skins played incredible, i.e. two TD drives of 80 yards, Ramsey is 10-12, portis gets a 50 yards run, everyone would be creaming their pants ... and that would be nuts, because that could all be smoke and mirrors ... just like the mediocre performance against the Pathers could be a mirage ... giving up no sacks for 4 Qtr's IS A BIG DEAL, that TD to 50/50 WAS A FLUKE! and a BS job by the Refs, our offense was cold, but their is potential - the one thing that is unexcuseable, and that was really dishearting to see was THE DAMN PENALTIES!!!

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by gortiz

giving up no sacks for 4 Qtr's IS A BIG DEAL

Yes it is. Especially when you consider how good the Panthers defense is and how much we passed the ball.

[Kevikazi]

I don't think it was Broughton that fumbled in the endzone. I think it was Jonathan Combs. Combs also caused an interception when he bobbled Campbell's pass.
This is my list of people that stood out due to poor play: Clifton Smith, Rufus Brown, Jonathan Combs, Brock Forsey, Ade Jimoh (aka The Toast), and Darnarian McCants.

people who made good/decent plays: Brunell (shocker!!!), Dockery (for man-handling Jenkins), Betts, Broughton, Antonio Brown, Campbell, Cartwright, and Kevin Dyson (among all the receivers, I think he performed the best)

[skinsguy]

One thing, the offensive line didn't give up one sack - even the backups. I call that postive, wouldn't you agree? Or would you rather have our quarterbacks on their back? Brunell played well, Nemo had a great game, and Jason Campbell played pretty well. Campbell nearly lead us to two scoring drives, and one of those drives, we were going in for a touchdown when the back fumbled. I'm sure it was Gibbs' fault that the running back fumbled.

I'm sorry you don't have much confidence...maybe you shouldn't watch any games this season. :-/

[SUNRA]

After reviewing the game on my VHS, I saw a number of plays lead by Brunell and Campbell that stretched the vertical attack far more than what we have grown accustomed to seeing. In the shotgun, it is very clear that Brunell can see the field more clearly and thus make the throw. I noticed his strength in zipping the ball into some tight places with great accuracy. I think Musgrave was definitely brought in to remind Brunell of how consistent he was at Jacksonville .

[offiss]

I watched the replay today and I have to say Ramsey didn't look good, 1 thing I did notice though is he looks much more comfortable in the shotgun, I know Gibbs pretty much hates the shotgun but it may be the way to go with Ramsey, he had an ugly overthrow on a out pattern to Patten when he was wide open which I noticed is a rarity, even when we complete passes it seems theres usually a defender right there forcing a perfect throw, it kind of seems the patterns they run are right at defenders, the secondary kind of just sits and waits for our recievers to get to them, it is tough to really see everything going on in the secondary on tv though.

Brunell had a couple of nice throws and he coupled that with balls going 10 yards out of bounds, and overthrowing WR's by 5 yards, I really wasen't overly encouraged by his performance [a couple of nice throws but the same old Brunell, his arm strength seemed better though]

As for Campbell he was the most impressive of the 3, allbeit it was the last half of the 4th and the bag boys were in on defense, he defiently looked by far the most accurate of the 3, he's not a fast guy but he can get out of the pocket to make a play, defiently similar to Big Ben, so far so good for JC.

As far as Ramsey goes he looks a shell of his former self back there, he looks like he's afarid to make a play for fear he will be banished to the bench for life if he tries and fails, IMO it looked like he was almost shotputting the ball, perhaps that's the result of Musgraves teaching him to put some touch on the ball? Well we will know more next week, hopefully!