Winslow Visit's Skin's

offiss · 04-07-2004, 04:57 AM

Winslow jr. was at redskin's park yesterday, don't know much of what transpired, but he did sign with the poston's, and did so apparently against a lot of people's wishes, I think it was a stupid move on his part, as I said in another thread and the post point's out, his draft status could very well drop down costing him million's just because he signed with these guy's, the fact that he knew the poston's were last on our list of agent's to deal with, and he signed with them any way say's 1 of 2 thing's, either he doesn't really care to play for us, or he's that dumb to risk dropping in the draft and losing a lot of money, If we do deciede to draft him we better have a signed contract before we actually pick him, I personally would take a page out of jimmy johnson's play book and have 2 rep's. 1 by winslow, and the other by taylor, and see who is willing to sign first, with the loser taking a risk of dropping down and losing more money as well as the prestige of being a top 5 pick.

RedskinPete · 04-07-2004, 06:05 AM

I would say the Redskins will not draft Winslow now that he has picked Poston's as his agents! Unless he is signed before he is picked! I see a traded down or Taylor! Let the Poston's play with The Lions!!! We need no part of thier games!!! To bad I like Winslow but that is just to much to over come! So all you Taylor fans looks like you are going to get your wish!!! Hope it works out!!!

Gmanc711 · 04-07-2004, 07:51 AM

I dont think we can sign a guy before he gets picked, can we? I thought it was just the #1 overall team that could sign a pick before the draft.

hank64 · 04-07-2004, 08:50 AM

No, a lot of teams have signed players before they drafted them. The trick is to know who you want and make sure they are still there when you draft.

hank64 · 04-07-2004, 08:53 AM

Maybe the rules have changed, but I remdmber particularly the draft where the Bears took Mark Carrier at #7, they already had a deal in place for him.

skins009 · 04-07-2004, 08:49 AM

You can't sign before you are picked unless you are the number 1 overall selection. I think this is a blessing. Now we can focus on a defensive player with our pick, which is what we really need.

BrudLee · 04-07-2004, 09:58 AM

Many teams will set the framework for a deal with a player before the draft, but only the number 1 pick can sign first. Basically, the team says "If we select you at this spot, we will provide 'X'", and the player and agents agree. There is no guarantee the player will be picked, because no one knows for sure if the player will be available - unless you are the first pick, when everyone is available.

MTK · 04-07-2004, 10:00 AM

With Winslow's signing with the Postons I think the chances of us taking him have dropped significantly.

I don't think they've completely ruled out taking him, but it's definitely going to be a huge factor in their decision making.

dieselhog · 04-07-2004, 12:01 PM

The player can only actually sign if they are taken number one. However, the team and the player's agents are 100% free to agree the permameters of a deal prior to the draft if they so wish. This only happens rarely when a team is certain they will get their man as it is a complete waste of energy otherwise. Even with the basics of the deal thrashed out, nothing can be signed until the player is officially selected.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-07-2004, 01:51 PM

this either means we're drafting Taylor or with the list of the other 10 1st round-quality players coming to visit the team, we could very well be trading down. With it being said that if that comes about, the skins would be looking to draft a d-lineman and linebacker, who r the best available LB's(who can play in the middle)? I've only heard mention of Vilma and boulware. Plus anyone think it somewhat odd and maybe foretelling to the fate of smoot that D'Angelo Hall was invited for a team visit? It's not like cornerback is really a weak spot right now. I really like Smoot, especially the heart he puts into his effort on the field, but do you think there might be trade rumours about smoot popping up again like last year?

BrudLee · 04-07-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

this either means we're drafting Taylor or with the list of the other 10 1st round-quality players coming to visit the team, we could very well be trading down. With it being said that if that comes about, the skins would be looking to draft a d-lineman and linebacker, who r the best available LB's(who can play in the middle)? I've only heard mention of Vilma and boulware. Plus anyone think it somewhat odd and maybe foretelling to the fate of smoot that D'Angelo Hall was invited for a team visit? It's not like cornerback is really a weak spot right now. I really like Smoot, especially the heart he puts into his effort on the field, but do you think there might be trade rumours about smoot popping up again like last year?

Smoot had greater value last year, when it was widely assumed that Champ would get his deal, and he had two years before his contract expired. A contract year trade is difficult to get full value for a player, because there is no guarantee the player will be there next year unless the other team is willing to renegotiate.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-07-2004, 02:14 PM

that's true BudLee, I just found it somewhat odd that we would have invited a first round prospect at the CB position when we already have plenty of depth at that position. It'd be similar if we invited Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, and/or Mike Williams to visit the team. Why put the time into evaluating a player at a position you know you won't be drafting for? Just doesn't seem very productive unless there's a possibility of drafting said player. I'm not alone in this thinking am I?

joecrisp · 04-07-2004, 04:45 PM

I don't think we should read a whole lot into the D'Angelo Hall visit. One reason these players are brought in for visits is for pre-draft window dressing to keep other teams guessing which player they're leaning towards picking.

Obviously, if the Skins are seriously considering drafting Hall, it would be as the result of a trade-down to somewhere in the mid- to late first round. Their motives for taking Hall could be anything from a lack of faith in the depth they've acquired at CB this offseason (Smoot, Springs, Harris and Brown have all had injury problems in the past year-- Springs, Harris and Brown are still recovering from injuries), to leverage and insurance on Fred Smoot in his contract year.

I tend to think it's just window dressing, though. If the Skins trade down from #5, it will be to take a defensive lineman, tight end, and/or linebacker.

Phinehas · 04-07-2004, 06:18 PM

Wasn't Gallery one of the visitors as well? I think he'll be gone before our pick, but I'd think Samuels would have as much or more to worry about as Smoot.

--Phin

Jamaican'Skin · 04-07-2004, 09:29 PM

Linebacker? Why would we trade down to get a linebacker, Joe? I thought we were good at that position.

04-07-2004, 04:57 AM	#1
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Winslow Visit's Skin's Winslow jr. was at redskin's park yesterday, don't know much of what transpired, but he did sign with the poston's, and did so apparently against a lot of people's wishes, I think it was a stupid move on his part, as I said in another thread and the post point's out, his draft status could very well drop down costing him million's just because he signed with these guy's, the fact that he knew the poston's were last on our list of agent's to deal with, and he signed with them any way say's 1 of 2 thing's, either he doesn't really care to play for us, or he's that dumb to risk dropping in the draft and losing a lot of money, If we do deciede to draft him we better have a signed contract before we actually pick him, I personally would take a page out of jimmy johnson's play book and have 2 rep's. 1 by winslow, and the other by taylor, and see who is willing to sign first, with the loser taking a risk of dropping down and losing more money as well as the prestige of being a top 5 pick.

04-07-2004, 06:05 AM	#2
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	I would say the Redskins will not draft Winslow now that he has picked Poston's as his agents! Unless he is signed before he is picked! I see a traded down or Taylor! Let the Poston's play with The Lions!!! We need no part of thier games!!! To bad I like Winslow but that is just to much to over come! So all you Taylor fans looks like you are going to get your wish!!! Hope it works out!!!

04-07-2004, 07:51 AM	#3
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I dont think we can sign a guy before he gets picked, can we? I thought it was just the #1 overall team that could sign a pick before the draft.

04-07-2004, 08:50 AM	#4
hank64 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 63	No, a lot of teams have signed players before they drafted them. The trick is to know who you want and make sure they are still there when you draft.

04-07-2004, 08:53 AM	#5
hank64 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 63	Maybe the rules have changed, but I remdmber particularly the draft where the Bears took Mark Carrier at #7, they already had a deal in place for him.

04-07-2004, 08:49 AM	#6
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	You can't sign before you are picked unless you are the number 1 overall selection. I think this is a blessing. Now we can focus on a defensive player with our pick, which is what we really need.

04-07-2004, 09:58 AM	#7
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Many teams will set the framework for a deal with a player before the draft, but only the number 1 pick can sign first. Basically, the team says "If we select you at this spot, we will provide 'X'", and the player and agents agree. There is no guarantee the player will be picked, because no one knows for sure if the player will be available - unless you are the first pick, when everyone is available. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

04-07-2004, 10:00 AM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	With Winslow's signing with the Postons I think the chances of us taking him have dropped significantly. I don't think they've completely ruled out taking him, but it's definitely going to be a huge factor in their decision making.

04-07-2004, 12:01 PM	#9
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 53 Posts: 166	The player can only actually sign if they are taken number one. However, the team and the player's agents are 100% free to agree the permameters of a deal prior to the draft if they so wish. This only happens rarely when a team is certain they will get their man as it is a complete waste of energy otherwise. Even with the basics of the deal thrashed out, nothing can be signed until the player is officially selected.

04-07-2004, 01:51 PM	#10
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	this either means we're drafting Taylor or with the list of the other 10 1st round-quality players coming to visit the team, we could very well be trading down. With it being said that if that comes about, the skins would be looking to draft a d-lineman and linebacker, who r the best available LB's(who can play in the middle)? I've only heard mention of Vilma and boulware. Plus anyone think it somewhat odd and maybe foretelling to the fate of smoot that D'Angelo Hall was invited for a team visit? It's not like cornerback is really a weak spot right now. I really like Smoot, especially the heart he puts into his effort on the field, but do you think there might be trade rumours about smoot popping up again like last year?

04-07-2004, 02:14 PM	#12
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	that's true BudLee, I just found it somewhat odd that we would have invited a first round prospect at the CB position when we already have plenty of depth at that position. It'd be similar if we invited Roy Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, and/or Mike Williams to visit the team. Why put the time into evaluating a player at a position you know you won't be drafting for? Just doesn't seem very productive unless there's a possibility of drafting said player. I'm not alone in this thinking am I?

04-07-2004, 04:45 PM	#13
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	I don't think we should read a whole lot into the D'Angelo Hall visit. One reason these players are brought in for visits is for pre-draft window dressing to keep other teams guessing which player they're leaning towards picking. Obviously, if the Skins are seriously considering drafting Hall, it would be as the result of a trade-down to somewhere in the mid- to late first round. Their motives for taking Hall could be anything from a lack of faith in the depth they've acquired at CB this offseason (Smoot, Springs, Harris and Brown have all had injury problems in the past year-- Springs, Harris and Brown are still recovering from injuries), to leverage and insurance on Fred Smoot in his contract year. I tend to think it's just window dressing, though. If the Skins trade down from #5, it will be to take a defensive lineman, tight end, and/or linebacker.

04-07-2004, 06:18 PM	#14
Phinehas Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 106	Wasn't Gallery one of the visitors as well? I think he'll be gone before our pick, but I'd think Samuels would have as much or more to worry about as Smoot. --Phin

04-07-2004, 09:29 PM	#15
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 38 Posts: 2,418	Linebacker? Why would we trade down to get a linebacker, Joe? I thought we were good at that position.

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