Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

mooby · 09-11-2005, 08:30 PM

I just wanted to know what skins fans thoughts on our qb situation is. i think ramsey's performance vs. the bears disappointed a lot of fans, while brunell did fairly good. we've been hearing talk about this for quite a while, but i believe we should have faith in ramsey, and let him keep the starting job. brunell is good, but we have to be fair to ramsey. also, what do you think about the refs not calling a penalty when briggs clotheslined ramsey. i think that should've been an unneccessary roughness penalty, or something because that wasn't a legal hit.

Paintrain · 09-11-2005, 08:36 PM

Give Ramsey another start.. I think we saw more of the same from Brunell.. Dink and dunk, 8 completions for 70 yds? The one deep ball he threw floated up there and if it weren't for the penalty it was picked.. Let's see what we have in Ramsey and then go to Brunell if neccessary..

Gibbs isn't doing Ramsey any favors though by waffling.. All he needed to say, if he supports Ramsey, is 'Patrick is our starter if he's healthy.'

MTK · 09-11-2005, 08:39 PM

Just saw the replay again on ESPN of the shot on Ramsey, holy crap why wasn't that a penalty?? He hit him very high and practically ripped his head off. Should have been an easy call.

The league had better bring down a fine.

And oh yeah, nice highlight package from ESPN, they didn't show the big run by Portis or the big catch by Moss. Thanks ESPN.

MTK · 09-11-2005, 08:40 PM

As for the QB debate, Ramsey didn't do anything to lose the job. If he's ready and able he should continue to be the starter.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-11-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As for the QB debate, Ramsey didn't do anything to lose the job. If he's ready and able he should continue to be the starter.

My sentiments exactly. I try not to use hyperbole to support my opinions and analysis. I'm not going to say Ramsey was awful or great. Nor will I say that Brunell was awful or great. As I see it, Ramsey is an inconsistent but talented young quarterback while Brunell is consistent and smart, but probably will not give us an explosive, or high-scoring, offense.

Simply due to their respective ages, I prefer to see Ramsey under center. However, if Ramsey suffered an injury that warrants a cautious approach, I wouldn't be livid if Gibbs put Brunell in.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-13-2005, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As for the QB debate, Ramsey didn't do anything to lose the job. If he's ready and able he should continue to be the starter.

Matty, not to be a nut buster, but why did you change your mind?

mooby · 09-11-2005, 08:44 PM

i'm sure our highlight package consisted of the pick thrown by ramsey, the pick thrown by brunell, that was called back, whatever or whoever fumbled the ball, and that's it. i think this will open some eyes around the league about how much our d can dominate.

BleedBurgundy · 09-11-2005, 08:45 PM

There is NO way our offense has the same spark when Brunell is in there, compared to Ramsey. Brunell is a good backup, he was CAPABLE today. Ramsey had some great zip on the ball. After his initial mistake, the int, he was pretty damn good. When a qb is amped up, he tends to put the ball high. That happened to PR today and he got picked. In my mind, PR should have went back into that ball game as soon as he was cleared.

wolfeskins · 09-11-2005, 08:53 PM

gotta give ramsey the start next week. ramsey looked pretty good after his int. wasn't it ramsey who threw the td to cooley that was called back. ramsey also showed some maturity by tucking the ball down and running for a yard or two instead of trying to force a throw in the red zone

LadyT · 09-11-2005, 08:58 PM

I was very disappointed in Gibbs' comment when asked if Ramsey would start next week. It should have been a definite "yes, if he's healthy". Instead, Gibbs waffled and it sent a very bad message to Ramsey and to the team. This coaching staff needs to stand by the QB or else Gibbs' word means nothing. I think Gibbs is looking for any opportunity at all to bench Ramsey in favor of his "boy" Brunell and Ramsey and the rest of the team know it.

Gibbs is not doing anyone any favors by his "damning with faint praise" approach to Ramsey.

Very, very disappointed in Gibbs and how he has handled the whole situation with Ramsey.

gusbus · 09-11-2005, 09:12 PM

Ramesy was what 6-11 for 105 yrds in 1 1/2 qtrs. Brunnell was 8-14 for 70ish on 2 1/2 qtrs. What are we debating this for? PR had 1 pick early on then settled down and moved the team pretty well. I think Gibbs is looking for any reason to bench Patrick. PR should have come in at the start of the second half, he was cleared to play. Brunnel looked good in the preseaon but he played 2nd half when the scrubs played. I think we need to remember that this is what PR's 17th career start and a lot of those he got shelled when Spurrier was here. Gibbs needs to declare PR his QB or let him get out b/c he is going to be a good QB in the NFL if he is given the chance and not looking over his shoulder. This is not a Super Bpwl team this year so let PR get his snaps and build some confidence and rapport with the team. And let Brunnel (Scott?) be a quality backup if Ramsey is injured.
I would like to now why Gibbs has so much loyalty to Brunnel and none to Ramsey. Both are devoted Christians. It must be the AARP membership club thing.

redrock-skins · 09-12-2005, 03:39 PM

Way too early for a QB controversy, especially when both are mediocre QBs anyway. Stick with Ramsey.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-11-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

There is NO way our offense has the same spark when Brunell is in there, compared to Ramsey. Brunell is a good backup, he was CAPABLE today. Ramsey had some great zip on the ball. After his initial mistake, the int, he was pretty damn good. When a qb is amped up, he tends to put the ball high. That happened to PR today and he got picked. In my mind, PR should have went back into that ball game as soon as he was cleared.

I'm just going to play a little devil's advocate. While Brunell doesn't give our offense a spark, he also doesn't usually make a lot of bad decisions. Ramsey gives us a spark and then will quash it with a bad throw. Ultimately I think Ramsey should start, but the answer to the QB debate isn't totally clear-cut.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-11-2005, 09:00 PM

As I've said in other threads, there isn't a clear-cut answer to the Ramsey-Brunell debate. However, I would like to see Gibbs give the same support for Ramsey that he gave Brunell last year. It does make me wonder a bit when Gibbs seems ready to yank Ramsey and plug in Brunell at the first opportunity.

wolfeskins · 09-11-2005, 09:08 PM

gibbs just does not like ramsey, i think that is obvious

View Poll Results: Assuming Ramsey is healthy, who's your starter for week 2?
Ramsey	57	76.00%
Brunell	18	24.00%
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09-11-2005, 08:30 PM	#1
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,468	Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread I just wanted to know what skins fans thoughts on our qb situation is. i think ramsey's performance vs. the bears disappointed a lot of fans, while brunell did fairly good. we've been hearing talk about this for quite a while, but i believe we should have faith in ramsey, and let him keep the starting job. brunell is good, but we have to be fair to ramsey. also, what do you think about the refs not calling a penalty when briggs clotheslined ramsey. i think that should've been an unneccessary roughness penalty, or something because that wasn't a legal hit. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

09-11-2005, 08:36 PM	#2
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Give Ramsey another start.. I think we saw more of the same from Brunell.. Dink and dunk, 8 completions for 70 yds? The one deep ball he threw floated up there and if it weren't for the penalty it was picked.. Let's see what we have in Ramsey and then go to Brunell if neccessary.. Gibbs isn't doing Ramsey any favors though by waffling.. All he needed to say, if he supports Ramsey, is 'Patrick is our starter if he's healthy.'

09-11-2005, 08:39 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Just saw the replay again on ESPN of the shot on Ramsey, holy crap why wasn't that a penalty?? He hit him very high and practically ripped his head off. Should have been an easy call. The league had better bring down a fine. And oh yeah, nice highlight package from ESPN, they didn't show the big run by Portis or the big catch by Moss. Thanks ESPN.

09-11-2005, 08:40 PM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread As for the QB debate, Ramsey didn't do anything to lose the job. If he's ready and able he should continue to be the starter.

09-11-2005, 08:44 PM	#7
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,468	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread i'm sure our highlight package consisted of the pick thrown by ramsey, the pick thrown by brunell, that was called back, whatever or whoever fumbled the ball, and that's it. i think this will open some eyes around the league about how much our d can dominate. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

09-11-2005, 08:45 PM	#8
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread There is NO way our offense has the same spark when Brunell is in there, compared to Ramsey. Brunell is a good backup, he was CAPABLE today. Ramsey had some great zip on the ball. After his initial mistake, the int, he was pretty damn good. When a qb is amped up, he tends to put the ball high. That happened to PR today and he got picked. In my mind, PR should have went back into that ball game as soon as he was cleared.

09-11-2005, 08:53 PM	#9
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread gotta give ramsey the start next week. ramsey looked pretty good after his int. wasn't it ramsey who threw the td to cooley that was called back. ramsey also showed some maturity by tucking the ball down and running for a yard or two instead of trying to force a throw in the red zone __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

09-11-2005, 08:58 PM	#10
LadyT Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 219	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread I was very disappointed in Gibbs' comment when asked if Ramsey would start next week. It should have been a definite "yes, if he's healthy". Instead, Gibbs waffled and it sent a very bad message to Ramsey and to the team. This coaching staff needs to stand by the QB or else Gibbs' word means nothing. I think Gibbs is looking for any opportunity at all to bench Ramsey in favor of his "boy" Brunell and Ramsey and the rest of the team know it. Gibbs is not doing anyone any favors by his "damning with faint praise" approach to Ramsey. Very, very disappointed in Gibbs and how he has handled the whole situation with Ramsey.

09-11-2005, 09:12 PM	#11
gusbus Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 58	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Ramesy was what 6-11 for 105 yrds in 1 1/2 qtrs. Brunnell was 8-14 for 70ish on 2 1/2 qtrs. What are we debating this for? PR had 1 pick early on then settled down and moved the team pretty well. I think Gibbs is looking for any reason to bench Patrick. PR should have come in at the start of the second half, he was cleared to play. Brunnel looked good in the preseaon but he played 2nd half when the scrubs played. I think we need to remember that this is what PR's 17th career start and a lot of those he got shelled when Spurrier was here. Gibbs needs to declare PR his QB or let him get out b/c he is going to be a good QB in the NFL if he is given the chance and not looking over his shoulder. This is not a Super Bpwl team this year so let PR get his snaps and build some confidence and rapport with the team. And let Brunnel (Scott?) be a quality backup if Ramsey is injured. I would like to now why Gibbs has so much loyalty to Brunnel and none to Ramsey. Both are devoted Christians. It must be the AARP membership club thing.

09-12-2005, 03:39 PM	#12
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread Way too early for a QB controversy, especially when both are mediocre QBs anyway. Stick with Ramsey.

09-11-2005, 09:00 PM	#14
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread As I've said in other threads, there isn't a clear-cut answer to the Ramsey-Brunell debate. However, I would like to see Gibbs give the same support for Ramsey that he gave Brunell last year. It does make me wonder a bit when Gibbs seems ready to yank Ramsey and plug in Brunell at the first opportunity.

09-11-2005, 09:08 PM	#15
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread gibbs just does not like ramsey, i think that is obvious __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

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