The Gibbs Hypocrisy!

offiss · 09-13-2005, 06:33 PM

I know this is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way so I will offer an apology to those who take offense, other than that to bad!

Gibbs states that we can't turn the ball over, and he wont tolerate it, Brunell 2004 9 TO's in 9 games. 2 of which directly lost us 2 games.

Gibbs now states that basically Brunells hamstring was the reason why he was as incompetent as he was last season, [maybe the worst QBing we have ever seen] yet he played his best game of the year 1 week after his supposed injury against dallas, and now we here all about his big time hammy.

Gibbs promises Brunell the starters position and gives him 9 games to play himself out of the starters position, given the fact that Brunell is a very experinced veteran who shouldn't need the same kind of a learning curve as let's say a young QB like Ramsey.

Ramsey is promised the starters job, after 1 early INT in his first regular season game with his new recieving corps he begins to move the ball up and down the field, at which point after 19 minutes Gibbs say's he's seen enough and has to go back to the teachers pet before Ramsey possibly does something to prevent him from getting Brunell back to starters status, so he doesn't look like an absolute incompetent fool for making that deal to get Brunell here in the first place. We cannot gloss over the fact that Gibbs cost his employer 42 million dollars, couple that with a system back like Portis for another 50 mil. that sure would motivate me to try and force a square peg through a round hole, imagine having to tell your employer you just cost them almost 100 mil and it's not working. And so long as Ramsey starts, thats what's being said.

Gibbs makes the move, which is probably the first I can remember a QB who is moving the ball, and if not for a lousy call would have just directed a TD drive, yanked, usually a QB is lifted because he can't move the ball, [unless your last name is Brunell] but the switch is made AFTER 1 QUARTER OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, then to watch Brunell in almost 3 quarters of play muster up 3 field goals, and 70 yards of passing, and say this is my starter.

Somewhere Bobby Beathard is shaking his head.

12thMan · 09-13-2005, 06:38 PM

Sooo, where is the hypocrosy???

steveo395 · 09-13-2005, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sooo, where is the hypocrosy???

cuz brunell sucks and hes the starter when ramsey was better and he got benched
hes being a hipocrite because no one is aloud to suck except brunell

12thMan · 09-13-2005, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveo395

cuz brunell sucks and hes the starter when ramsey was better and he got benched
hes being a hipocrite because no one is aloud to suck except brunell

And why is that you say Brunell suck??

SUNRA · 09-13-2005, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveo395

cuz brunell sucks and hes the starter when ramsey was better and he got benched
hes being a hipocrite because no one is aloud to suck except brunell

Your'e killing me with your spelling errors. Take your time and spell correctly so I can understand your point.

jgalecpa · 09-13-2005, 11:43 PM

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

That Guy · 09-14-2005, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

dallas miami and the bears have all made offers over his career here even though he never actually sought a trade. If we dumped him, he'd have people bid for him, and there's enough bad teams that i'm sure he could even find a starting job in some places because he's still fairly young... (clev, bal, ari, etc)

other than that, welcome to the board, nice post

skinsfan0201 · 09-14-2005, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

You would endure 8 more weeks of Brunell not producing this year? You are much kinder and gentler person than I am. Ha Ha!!!!!

offiss · 09-14-2005, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

Welcome JG, I go way back to the early George Allen day's, and remember the Schroeder situation well, [by the way he was traded to the raiders not san diego] Schroeder was becoming stagnet on offense he pretty much ran his coarse with us and wasen't progressing to the next level as a QB, the question wasen't so much about replacing Jay, as much as it was can Williams get the job done? Gibbs went back and forth a couple of times early when Jay was hurt, and Williams to his credit was doing a better job, there wasen't a big difference performance wise between the 2 but Williams was getting the better of it, but the bottom line is we really can't find a situation where Gibbs didn't give his starter a real chance to prove himself until Ramsey, a lot of people want to judge the pre-season and anoint Brunell, but remember during 2 of our SB years we won a combined 1 game in the pre-season, how good do you think our QB's looked? How good did Theisman look when we started off the 82 season 0-6, After going 0-5 in the pre-season? Bottom line until this scenerio plays itself out we will all continue to agree to disagree, I just feel regardless that Ramsey really has been given a raw deal.

DirtBagZ · 09-14-2005, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

Just to clarify Schroeder was traded to the Raiders, not the Chargers. Later Stan Humphries ended up with the Chargers, whom he led to a Superbowl, which they lost, I believe to the 49ers.

MTK · 09-13-2005, 06:39 PM

Where's the spell check?

MTK · 09-13-2005, 06:39 PM

I'm just about done debating, we'll get our answers on the field.

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 06:48 PM

lots of Warpathers have shown their hypocrisy as well, absolutely screaming for Brunell's head last season and now gladly anointing it. or that seasons in the 1980s prove Gibb's infallibility but that last season proved nothing. or that preseason was meaningless but now matters over regular season performance, the list goes on and on.

RedskinRat · 09-13-2005, 06:49 PM

Illdefined, you do realize that was last season, it's a different season/situation now?

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Illdefined, you do realize that was last season, it's a different season/situation now?

yes, but thats the closest analog we have. same coaches, same schemes, and mostly the same players. did Mark Brunell get younger? last season is the most relevant thing we have, more than this year's preseason even and MUCH closer to the comparisons i've been hearing about Mark Rypien and Doug Williams. wha??

09-13-2005, 06:33 PM	#1
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	The Gibbs Hypocrisy! I know this is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way so I will offer an apology to those who take offense, other than that to bad! Gibbs states that we can't turn the ball over, and he wont tolerate it, Brunell 2004 9 TO's in 9 games. 2 of which directly lost us 2 games. Gibbs now states that basically Brunells hamstring was the reason why he was as incompetent as he was last season, [maybe the worst QBing we have ever seen] yet he played his best game of the year 1 week after his supposed injury against dallas, and now we here all about his big time hammy. Gibbs promises Brunell the starters position and gives him 9 games to play himself out of the starters position, given the fact that Brunell is a very experinced veteran who shouldn't need the same kind of a learning curve as let's say a young QB like Ramsey. Ramsey is promised the starters job, after 1 early INT in his first regular season game with his new recieving corps he begins to move the ball up and down the field, at which point after 19 minutes Gibbs say's he's seen enough and has to go back to the teachers pet before Ramsey possibly does something to prevent him from getting Brunell back to starters status, so he doesn't look like an absolute incompetent fool for making that deal to get Brunell here in the first place. We cannot gloss over the fact that Gibbs cost his employer 42 million dollars, couple that with a system back like Portis for another 50 mil. that sure would motivate me to try and force a square peg through a round hole, imagine having to tell your employer you just cost them almost 100 mil and it's not working. And so long as Ramsey starts, thats what's being said. Gibbs makes the move, which is probably the first I can remember a QB who is moving the ball, and if not for a lousy call would have just directed a TD drive, yanked, usually a QB is lifted because he can't move the ball, [unless your last name is Brunell] but the switch is made AFTER 1 QUARTER OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, then to watch Brunell in almost 3 quarters of play muster up 3 field goals, and 70 yards of passing, and say this is my starter. Somewhere Bobby Beathard is shaking his head.

09-13-2005, 06:38 PM	#2
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! Sooo, where is the hypocrosy???

09-13-2005, 11:43 PM	#6
jgalecpa Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 458	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! Okay, First time Poster here. Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt. This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game. Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window. Schroeder fans were livid. Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down. You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl. My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong. I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills. He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed. Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey. Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left. If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9. Just my two cents.

09-13-2005, 06:39 PM	#11
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09-13-2005, 06:48 PM	#13
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: The Gibbs Hypocrisy! lots of Warpathers have shown their hypocrisy as well, absolutely screaming for Brunell's head last season and now gladly anointing it. or that seasons in the 1980s prove Gibb's infallibility but that last season proved nothing. or that preseason was meaningless but now matters over regular season performance, the list goes on and on.

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