Soooo, for each of us, what is the breaking point for Gibbs?

[paulskinsfan]

We are in the midst of a crisis in Redskins Nation. Never before have I seen such in-fighting after A WIN! Its obvious that our team is in turmoil. That being said, at what point for each of you would you actually call for a coaching change? Gibbs got a pass his first season. But in his second season Gibbs has bungled a couple of things, i.e. the trading of draft picks for Campbell, the Ramsey is my starter, etc. So here is the question: What is your breaking point? For me, if we finish this season with 6 wins or less, given the way Gibbs has handled this team, that would be enough to call for the Great One's resignation. Thoughts? Again, Im not picking a fight with the Gibbs supporters, Im merely asking when in your opinion what scenario would call for a coaching change.

[Kope]

The end of his contract. Period.

We need continuity more than anything else. Three to four years of it regardless of record.

We have so much mediocrity to over come- it takes time.

[jermus22]

Originally Posted by Kope

The end of his contract. Period.

We need continuity more than anything else. Three to four years of it regardless of record.

We have so much mediocrity to over come- it takes time.

Excellent point. There's been enough upheaval in terms of coaching changes over the last few years. And it would be pretty low to fire the man who got the 'Skins their only three Super Bowl victories (not to mention HOF induction).

[sportscurmudgeon]

Let's not get too deep into revisionist history here. Icky Woods had a very brief career because he had a blown out knee before the days when knee-reconstructive-surgery was known. Before we dismiss him as a "one-hit-wonder", let's acknowledge that the injury bug bit him very badly.


I've been saying for about 6 months now that Joe Gibbs really never wanted Ramsey as his QB. However, now that I think about it, neither did Steve Spurrier want Ramsey as his QB. Spurrier tried to play Shane Matthews and Danny Woeful and just about anyone else who could take a snap from center and chew gum at the same time before he settled on letting Ramsey be the QB. So, that's sort of two coaches in a row who played him only after all the other choices were closed off. Might there be a message here?


paulskinsfan:

You are on target with the importance of finding good and productive players in the middle/lower rounds of the draft - and among unsigned free agents too - as the way to build a team that wins on the field and does not hyperventilate its roster every year due to salary cap constraints. That would be the weak spot in the Gibbs curriculum vitae at the moment.


offiss:

I think that the overall record of Bobby Beathard in San Diego is not that great. Yes, that one team in the mid-90s did make it to the Super Bowl playing a 5th place schedule, but other than that.

Oh yeah, the Skins eventually got one of Beatherd's guys from the Super Bowl Chargers' team to play safety for them. Who among us can forget the "new sheriff in town"?

[Kope]

The reason there is no breaking point for me w/ Gibbs:

More than anything else we need change the culture of the Skins; to me this is done through continuity. How has Gibbs done so far? Pretty damn good in my book.

Signs of encouragement last year:

We were in every game for the first time since I can remember.

By the end of the year we were not up and down, which-team-will-show-up-this-week? type of team; we beat bad teams and lost close games to good teams - that is a real sign of a team getting better.

Signs of encouragement this year (only one game I know):

No false starts, delays of game and no holding penalties and only one illigal shift against the offense(the holding against Betts was on a punt)

The O Line gave plenty of protection and blocked with authority. YPC got bigger as the game went on.

Defense looked great again.

Special teams coverage looked great. The one guy who made a mistake is gone.

Not one aspect of the team looked worse this year than last year they all looked as good (defense), or a little bit better (Special teams offense and even QB).

Point being; we sure looked like a good team in search of a QB to lead the offense (Gibbs said something like that I think). That is head and shoulders ahead of where we were two, three and four years ago when we looked like we hardly practiced snapcounts or would beat great teams and get blown out by basement dwellers.

We are going in the right direction. Belive it. It just takes a while to instill winning in a team.

[STPainmaker]

He'd pretty much have to murder a close friend for me to want him to leave the team. However if we beat Dallas twice or won the super bowl I would be willing to make new friends.

[GoSkins!]

I'm sticking by Gibbs as long as he wants to stay because of a number of things.

1. He has assembled a great coaching staff and the players are responding better than I have seen them in years.

2. He is fixing every problem that we have had that has caused his "flawed offensive philosophy" not to work. (Turnovers, penalties).

3. I cant think of a guy with a better resume to take the job if he left.

4. A coach can't make adjustments in a game until he is familiar with his players and they understand the system.

Take for instance how New Engand switched from a 3-4 defense to a 4-3 so that they could pressure the QB in thier game. You have to know your guys and they have to know you to make that kind of switch in the middle of a game.

How about our running game against the Bears? You know we didn't just keep running the same plays until they got tired? Gibbs saw the Bears were crashing the line so he went with some longer pull out blocking schemes that opened the holes up.

Bottom line is that a coach like Gibbs needs the continuity just like the players to be successful. Gibbs will do fine once he gets everyone on the same page.

[jbcjr14]

A coaching change? Not until he wants to walk out, thats when you request a change.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

We are in the midst of a crisis in Redskins Nation. Never before have I seen such in-fighting after A WIN! Its obvious that our team is in turmoil. That being said, at what point for each of you would you actually call for a coaching change? Gibbs got a pass his first season. But in his second season Gibbs has bungled a couple of things, i.e. the trading of draft picks for Campbell, the Ramsey is my starter, etc. So here is the question: What is your breaking point? For me, if we finish this season with 6 wins or less, given the way Gibbs has handled this team, that would be enough to call for the Great One's resignation. Thoughts? Again, Im not picking a fight with the Gibbs supporters, Im merely asking when in your opinion what scenario would call for a coaching change.

I can seperate my criticism of this move with my opinion of the coach. He signed a five year deal, and I believe that he will make the team better.

Though I don't agree with the handling of this switch, I believe the team will improve under his stewardship. The job is his, for as long as he feels he can help the team.

[Hog1]

I see a team on the rise! What crisis? Being Dolphin fan is a crisis!!

[celts32]

There is no breaking point for me. He holds the job as long as he wants it. An 0-16 season would not change my mind one bit...

[Kope]

Originally Posted by celts32

There is no breaking point for me. He holds the job as long as he wants it. An 0-16 season would not change my mind one bit...

Well that at least wont happen this year

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by celts32

There is no breaking point for me. He holds the job as long as he wants it. An 0-16 season would not change my mind one bit...

Agreed.

[MTK]

As long as he wants to be here.

Gibbs will know when to walk away. Snyder is not going to fire him.

Is a QB change really the end of the world? Must be for some people. Guess I didn't realize Ramsey was the 2nd coming of Montana.

[jbcjr14]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As long as he wants to be here.

Gibbs will know when to walk away. Snyder is not going to fire him.

Is a QB change really the end of the world? Must be for some people. Guess I didn't realize Ramsey was the 2nd coming of Montana.

Exactly Matty! Ramsey has shown very little improvement over the past three years. I don't think Brunnell is all that either, but its just a QB change, its really not that big of a deal when you didn't have an ace in the hole to begin with!