D-Line help without trading down

[SKINSnCANES]

I wonder how much cap room we are going to have, once whoever gets cut, to be able to pick up players after April 14th and June 1st?

A player that ive kept my sight on is Ogunleye. Hes going to be seeking trade offers after April 14th. He wants a big pay check but that never bothers me with Snyder, Snyder will find a way to make him count for nothing for three years then rework his deal. The Dolphins are waiting to see if they can get a first and third for him but no one will do that. Any thoughts on him?

The other main player ive been watching is Tony Brackens. Im not sure how much money he wants, I think hes just tired of teh Jaguars FO. Adding him to our D-Line might be enough to get the type of pressure we are looking for. C.Griffen is an amazing run stuffer but doesnt see the QB much, mabye with another big guy next to him they can ge the pressure together.

I really want to draft Sean Taylor so ive been tryign to see what D-line help will be available without drafting one by trading down. Let me know what you think.

[Big C]

We should pick up DT gilbert brown. he was cut by the packers, and is a force as a run stopper. hes huge, tough (he played through what should have been a season ending injury in the preseason), and should come cheap. that would help solve a moajor problem area in the middle. Chad Eaton is also available...thres still solid talent out there

[SKINSnCANES]

Thats why I dont think we should trade down. I think we should get vetern dline help and draft the elite player, taylor.

[SKINSnCANES]

Nobody else thinks we should get d-line help through freeagency instead of the draft?

[skinsfan46]

I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE SKINSnCANES.DRAFT THE BEST AND SUPPLEMENT WITH FREE AGENCY.OUR 5TH ROUNDER COULD TURN OUT TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR 1ST.

[SKINSnCANES]

we'll see. I hope Cerrato did a better job of scouting this year and we can get a gem in the later rounds.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

I like the idea of either brown or brackens (maybe both) and drafting Taylor. Anyone know of any other decent quality d-lineman who may get cut June 1st?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

we'll see. I hope Cerrato did a better job of scouting this year and we can get a gem in the later rounds.

And your hope that this occurred is based on what? His excellent late round record from his time in SF? No - Cerrato can track numbers on current pro players and seems to be able to tell which college star will translate to the NFL (Samuels, Arrington, Bailey, Gardner, Ramsey) , but he lacks "the eye" when it comes to unearthing average/good college talent that will step up to the next level. I may be wrong but has he ever hit, I mean really hit - quality starter/pro bowler - outside the second round (almost limited it to first but then thought of Smoot and Jansen)?

With that said, however, his first rounders have been good solid hits and no horrid busts. That is not something to be completely disregarded.

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And your hope that this occurred is based on what? His excellent late round record from his time in SF? No - Cerrato can track numbers on current pro players and seems to be able to tell which college star will translate to the NFL (Samuels, Arrington, Bailey, Gardner, Ramsey) , but he lacks "the eye" when it comes to unearthing average/good college talent that will step up to the next level. I may be wrong but than has he ever hit, I mean really hit - quality starter/pro bowler - outside the second round (almost limited it to first but then thought of Smoot and Jansen)?

With that said, however, his first rounders have been good solid hits and no horrid busts. That is not something to be completely disregarded.

Keep in mind that he now has Joe Gibbs looking over his shoulder, and developing late round picks are Gibbs' strength, so it should balance out.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Keep in mind that he now has Joe Gibbs looking over his shoulder, and developing late round picks are Gibbs' strength, so it should balance out.

Gibbs is undoubtedly good at developing actual talent that others cannot reach. The question, though, is whether he will be given any actual talent by Cerrato and crew. Gibbs can't make diamonds from quartz but can pull the diamond out of a muddy rock and polish it up real nice.

For example, what players drafted by VC in the later rounds have moved on and been developed by other talented coaches?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And your hope that this occurred is based on what? His excellent late round record from his time in SF? No - Cerrato can track numbers on current pro players and seems to be able to tell which college star will translate to the NFL (Samuels, Arrington, Bailey, Gardner, Ramsey) , but he lacks "the eye" when it comes to unearthing average/good college talent that will step up to the next level. I may be wrong but than has he ever hit, I mean really hit - quality starter/pro bowler - outside the second round (almost limited it to first but then thought of Smoot and Jansen)?

With that said, however, his first rounders have been good solid hits and no horrid busts. That is not something to be completely disregarded.

don't discount dockery yet. I think he can be an awesome guard especially under the tutelage of the man Mr. Bugel.

[SKINSnCANES]

There are going to be tons of rumors about what the Skins might do, and knowing the Skins anythign is possible. But dont rule out us just drafting at five and picking up free agents. Everyone says Snyder will do crazy things, but his file dictates that he wont do crazy things in the draft and he will go after more vets, which is Gibbs way of doing things as well.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Gilbert Brown may have reached the end of the line. He did not play well last year and then he got hurt and basically never got back to the mediocre level he had established in the first part of the season. If I were to sign him, there would be no signing bonus that I would likely have to eat.

Chad Eaton can still play. I suspect he will be seeking some up front cash in his deal.

Tony Brackens is an interesting case. Some people think he is a wonderful player with a non-stop motor and top-shelf physical skills. Other people see him as a "me-first pain-in-the-ass". I have never met Mr. Brackens so I can't tell you which assessment is closer to the correct one.

There are good free agents out there waiting to be signed but none of them will want to come for league minimum so there will need to be some cap room adjustments to get them.

[skins93]

Ogunleye is an awesome DE, but he won't be cut by the Phins anytime soon. I thought earlier the Skins would go after him, but the price tag since he is a restricted FA is too much. If the Phins drop the price, say a 1st rounder next year, it would clearly give us a guy who can provide 15+ sacks year in/out...

[SKINSnCANES]

He got a lot of his sacks because of who was lined up on the other side, in Jason Taylor. But he was still productive and should be able to perform. He would be a big upgrade on our dline no matter what, and if anything would help our lbs get more pressure.