Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call?

SmootSmack · 11-14-2005, 12:32 AM

Two and a half minutes left. Redskins up 35-28. 3rd and 2 at our own 20. Tampa has no timeouts left. Gibbs calls for a running play over the right tackle to Portis....was it the right call?

Vote, no need to discuss really. We all seem to be discussing it in enough other threads. Just want a count. (note: this will be a public poll so all can see your response)

MTK · 11-14-2005, 12:39 AM

We were running well the entire game. I kinda felt that the Bucs were going to be looking for the short dump since we did it earlier on 4th down. I liked the call of the quick hitter up inside, unfortunately they got stuffed.

It's one of those things, if it works it's great call, since it didn't everyone will second guess it. The game didn't hinge on that one play... there were many other factors along the way that all contributed to the end result.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-14-2005, 12:40 AM

I didn't think it was a bad call. In retrospect, it might have been better to have passed on 3rd down but the call was a good one.

Longtimefan · 11-14-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I didn't think it was a bad call. In retrospect, it might have been better to have passed on 3rd down but the call was a good one.

I agree. Had we been playing better defense after taking the lead twice in the second half only to loose it, I would agree with the decision to run the ball. There was nothing to make me think TB would not score to tie the game because the defense hadn't proved to me they could stop them.

offiss · 11-14-2005, 12:41 AM

We should have been throwing on second down, play action roleout's to take advantage of Brunells legs giving him the option to run or throw, trying to run the clock down at that point in the game was moot, if we don't get a firstdown the Bucs have more than enough time to take the ball downfield whether we have an incomplete or not. The right call in that situation is to do whatever you have to do to get a firstdown, if you fail with an all out effort you can tip your cap to the Bucs, but that's not what happened we went into a shell and said hear's another chance to beat us, bad move considering the Bucs had already showed they pretty much figured out how to expose our secondary at that point with galloway.

Redskins8588 · 11-14-2005, 12:51 AM

I am not sure how to vote, because I would have liked to see us do a roll out with Brunell where he has the option to either run and pick up the 1st or pass for the 1st. If you looked the buc's were pretty much playing the run on that play, I think that we could have picked up the 1st if did a roll out play. Just my thoughts...

44deisel44 · 11-14-2005, 01:00 AM

NO WAY!!!!! That play did away with the time out of turn of possesion! Great call Gibbs

Come on TAFKAS with that loaded question....

wheeler · 11-15-2005, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 44deisel44

NO WAY!!!!! That play did away with the time out of turn of possesion! Great call Gibbs

Come on TAFKAS with that loaded question....

tick tock,anotherfumble recovery by dockery.......hell yes that was a good call to run by gibbs........wish i could have a couple of those blitz packages back on defense though

mooby · 11-14-2005, 01:01 AM

the redskins did the right thing by running on that play, but i would've put sellers in at halfback mainly because i don't see portis as a short yardage back. A rollout with Brunell probably would've been more effective because he has more options, but the game was blown on other plays, not this one. Imo, the play that blew the game was the thirty yard td pass to sheppard at the end, by that point i had realized whenever we blitzed it wasn't doing anything, leaving walt harris on an island like that is a really bad idea, considering he's been burned other times already.

redrock-skins · 11-14-2005, 01:02 AM

After the two minute warning, I would have no problem with it.

44deisel44 · 11-14-2005, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

the redskins did the right thing by running on that play, but i would've put sellers in at halfback mainly because i don't see portis as a short yardage back. A rollout with Brunell probably would've been more effective because he has more options, but the game was blown on other plays, not this one. Imo, the play that blew the game was the thirty yard td pass to sheppard at the end, by that point i had realized whenever we blitzed it wasn't doing anything, leaving walt harris on an island like that is a really bad idea, considering he's been burned other times already.

thank you.....over agressive D is killin us......BUT of course we dont have the talent to NOT bring the house...........

htownskinfan · 11-14-2005, 01:04 AM

its very easy to second guess it now,because the obvious answer is yes because the run didnt work,Gibbs is a great coach but he has a major tendency to get conservative at the end of games,I knew once we got the ball on that drive it was going to be 3 straight runs and hope for the best,if he has so much confidence in Brunell then he should trust him to make that play,either with his legs or his arm

ST21 · 11-14-2005, 01:04 AM

This is crazy...........

#56fanatic · 11-14-2005, 08:58 AM

I totally believe its the right call. You are trying to eat up the clock, we are up by 7 and deep in our own territory. You dont want a pick in that situation, and if its incomplete thats an additional 25 to 35 seconds Tampa has. turns out they didn't need it, but you still run the ball there. If you can grind out 2 yards in those situations, then you should be forced to punt and live or die by your defense. Which by the way is looking awful the last 3 or 4 games.

skins052bgr8 · 11-14-2005, 09:26 AM

I don't disagree with keeping the ball on the ground, but do something creative not straight up the middle three times in a row, we did the exact same thing last week three straight up the middle and turned the ball back over to the eagles and they drove right down the field fortunately we got a play from our D at the goal line. We had been driving the ball all game by mixing it up why do the exact same play with the box stacked. If we can see the same run in previous games don't you think other coaches see the tendancies every game in that situation dive in the middle of the pile with no success. I don't care that we ran on them all game, we do the same thing over and over again when we need to run the clock out, how can anyone say it is the right call when we have not been unsuccessful with running out the clock and converting in nearly everygame this year. Tell me when the last time you saw someone even if they new it was coming stop Cooley or Sellers in the flat for a score or a first down. Where was the stretch play let Portis pick his gap.

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11-14-2005, 12:32 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? Two and a half minutes left. Redskins up 35-28. 3rd and 2 at our own 20. Tampa has no timeouts left. Gibbs calls for a running play over the right tackle to Portis....was it the right call? Vote, no need to discuss really. We all seem to be discussing it in enough other threads. Just want a count. (note: this will be a public poll so all can see your response) __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-14-2005, 12:39 AM	#2
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? We were running well the entire game. I kinda felt that the Bucs were going to be looking for the short dump since we did it earlier on 4th down. I liked the call of the quick hitter up inside, unfortunately they got stuffed. It's one of those things, if it works it's great call, since it didn't everyone will second guess it. The game didn't hinge on that one play... there were many other factors along the way that all contributed to the end result.

11-14-2005, 12:40 AM	#3
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? I didn't think it was a bad call. In retrospect, it might have been better to have passed on 3rd down but the call was a good one.

11-14-2005, 12:51 AM	#6
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 47 Posts: 2,519	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? I am not sure how to vote, because I would have liked to see us do a roll out with Brunell where he has the option to either run and pick up the 1st or pass for the 1st. If you looked the buc's were pretty much playing the run on that play, I think that we could have picked up the 1st if did a roll out play. Just my thoughts... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

11-14-2005, 12:41 AM	#5
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 62 Posts: 3,097	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? We should have been throwing on second down, play action roleout's to take advantage of Brunells legs giving him the option to run or throw, trying to run the clock down at that point in the game was moot, if we don't get a firstdown the Bucs have more than enough time to take the ball downfield whether we have an incomplete or not. The right call in that situation is to do whatever you have to do to get a firstdown, if you fail with an all out effort you can tip your cap to the Bucs, but that's not what happened we went into a shell and said hear's another chance to beat us, bad move considering the Bucs had already showed they pretty much figured out how to expose our secondary at that point with galloway.

11-14-2005, 01:00 AM	#7
44deisel44 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 260	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? NO WAY!!!!! That play did away with the time out of turn of possesion! Great call Gibbs Come on TAFKAS with that loaded question.... __________________ 90% of the game is half mental-John Madden Pure unadulterated uncompromising ecstasy- Jack K.Cooke

11-14-2005, 01:01 AM	#9
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,596	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? the redskins did the right thing by running on that play, but i would've put sellers in at halfback mainly because i don't see portis as a short yardage back. A rollout with Brunell probably would've been more effective because he has more options, but the game was blown on other plays, not this one. Imo, the play that blew the game was the thirty yard td pass to sheppard at the end, by that point i had realized whenever we blitzed it wasn't doing anything, leaving walt harris on an island like that is a really bad idea, considering he's been burned other times already.

11-14-2005, 01:02 AM	#10
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? After the two minute warning, I would have no problem with it.

11-14-2005, 01:04 AM	#12
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 64 Posts: 4,935	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? its very easy to second guess it now,because the obvious answer is yes because the run didnt work,Gibbs is a great coach but he has a major tendency to get conservative at the end of games,I knew once we got the ball on that drive it was going to be 3 straight runs and hope for the best,if he has so much confidence in Brunell then he should trust him to make that play,either with his legs or his arm

11-14-2005, 01:04 AM	#13
ST21 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 519	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? This is crazy........... __________________ SAY HELLO TO THE BAD GUY........

11-14-2005, 08:58 AM	#14
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? I totally believe its the right call. You are trying to eat up the clock, we are up by 7 and deep in our own territory. You dont want a pick in that situation, and if its incomplete thats an additional 25 to 35 seconds Tampa has. turns out they didn't need it, but you still run the ball there. If you can grind out 2 yards in those situations, then you should be forced to punt and live or die by your defense. Which by the way is looking awful the last 3 or 4 games.

11-14-2005, 09:26 AM	#15
skins052bgr8 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va. Age: 50 Posts: 288	Re: Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call? I don't disagree with keeping the ball on the ground, but do something creative not straight up the middle three times in a row, we did the exact same thing last week three straight up the middle and turned the ball back over to the eagles and they drove right down the field fortunately we got a play from our D at the goal line. We had been driving the ball all game by mixing it up why do the exact same play with the box stacked. If we can see the same run in previous games don't you think other coaches see the tendancies every game in that situation dive in the middle of the pile with no success. I don't care that we ran on them all game, we do the same thing over and over again when we need to run the clock out, how can anyone say it is the right call when we have not been unsuccessful with running out the clock and converting in nearly everygame this year. Tell me when the last time you saw someone even if they new it was coming stop Cooley or Sellers in the flat for a score or a first down. Where was the stretch play let Portis pick his gap.

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