Patten Doubtful vs Raiders

[Warpath]

Wide receiver David Patten sat out practice on Wednesday with knee soreness and is listed as doubtful for this Sunday's game against the Oakland Raiders.
If Patten is unable to play, the Redskins would have just three wide receivers on the 53-man roster: Santana Moss, James Thrash and Taylor Jacobs. Oakland will be without cornerback Charles Woodson, who has a fractured leg, so the Redskins' passing game could catch a break with the Raiders missing one of their top defenders.
Rookie wide receiver Rich Parsons, a Maryland product, could be a candidate to be called up from the practice squad if Gibbs decides he needs a fourth wide receiver for this Sunday's Oakland game at FedExField.
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[BigSKINBauer]

Good thing is his stats won't be much different than in other games. I have always thought he had the potential, last year he had the third most yards per catch among receivers with over 40 catchs. He is fast and can get away but he has proved me wrong this year. he had one good game at denver and one touchdown there even though it didn't count, lets hope he gets better and finishes off strong in the last 5-6 games.

Hopefully taylor can come in like he did earlier this year......and i am not talking about jacobs

[Warpath]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Good thing is his stats won't be much different than in other games. I have always thought he had the potential, last year he had the third most yards per catch among receivers with over 40 catchs. He is fast and can get away but he has proved me wrong this year. he had one good game at denver and one touchdown there even though it didn't count, lets hope he gets better and finishes off strong in the last 5-6 games.

Hopefully taylor can come in like he did earlier this year......and i am not talking about jacobs

I think Sean Taylor only played in 2 or 3 downs and all of those were inside the 5 yard line if I remember correctly, which I may be wrong. I think Sean Taylor is a hell of a gamer and one of the most physically talented guys on the team but i honestly don't see him running 20+ yards downfield to catch the bomb. Short possesion type passes maybe.

[Big C]

parsons sucks

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Big C

parsons sucks

he is from maryland, therefore i like him, i met him earlier this year.

[Big C]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

he is from maryland, therefore i like him, i met him earlier this year.

sweet

[sportscurmudgeon]

Ramseyfan:

Here's my opinion on the question you asked:

Patten was one option among a wide variety of options with the Pats for the past couple of years where all of the options had quality players manning the positions. It was hard to double up any single player on the Pats because they had such a variety of weapons. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, the Pats used all of the weapons they had. Tom Brady - and Charlie Weis as the playcaller - made sure that every offensive weapon got plenty of usage just to make sure that the defensive coordinator didn't "load up" on anything and take it away from them.

Even the Pats running game was more suited to setting up the pass than the Skins' running game is. I'm not demeaning Portis, but Corey Dillon is mainly an inside runner who is not nearly as likely to break a 70-yard gain as is Portis. So, if Dillon was running well, the only way to adjust to that was to pack the box - opening things up outside. With Portis, you pack the box at your own risk because then you might allow him to break a big one outside. So, defenses against the Skins tend to play "wider" than did defenses against the Pats.

In the current offensive scheme, the first WR option is virutally always Santana Moss. Then the QB will look for a TE or the running back as a safety valve. Patten is there for "spot-duty" or for those times when options 1 and 2 are covered and the QB has time to find option 3. Given the porosity of the offensive line for much of this year, the QB rarely has the time to think about option 3 let alone have the opportuity to find him.

Remember, you asked...

[SmootSmack]

I noticed sometimes though that Brunell checks off the first receiver, usually Moss, then he looks to Patten and checks him off then goes to someone like Sellers or Cooley. But what stands out for me is that the third option isn't necessarily any more open than Patten.

So it has me wondering if Brunell doesn't believe that Patten can make the play in coverage. He probably does, but still...

As for Dillon's impact, didn't Patten have his best years when the knock on the Pats was that they had no running game? Well actually, I guess they had Antowain Smith back around 2001 right?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Ramseyfan:

Here's my opinion on the question you asked:

Patten was one option among a wide variety of options with the Pats for the past couple of years where all of the options had quality players manning the positions. It was hard to double up any single player on the Pats because they had such a variety of weapons. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, the Pats used all of the weapons they had. Tom Brady - and Charlie Weis as the playcaller - made sure that every offensive weapon got plenty of usage just to make sure that the defensive coordinator didn't "load up" on anything and take it away from them.

Even the Pats running game was more suited to setting up the pass than the Skins' running game is. I'm not demeaning Portis, but Corey Dillon is mainly an inside runner who is not nearly as likely to break a 70-yard gain as is Portis. So, if Dillon was running well, the only way to adjust to that was to pack the box - opening things up outside. With Portis, you pack the box at your own risk because then you might allow him to break a big one outside. So, defenses against the Skins tend to play "wider" than did defenses against the Pats.

In the current offensive scheme, the first WR option is virutally always Santana Moss. Then the QB will look for a TE or the running back as a safety valve. Patten is there for "spot-duty" or for those times when options 1 and 2 are covered and the QB has time to find option 3. Given the porosity of the offensive line for much of this year, the QB rarely has the time to think about option 3 let alone have the opportuity to find him.

Remember, you asked...

Apart from Clinton Portis' first carry as a Redskin on opening day last season, he hasn't demonstrated much of a likelihood of breaking a 70-yard gain. Not saying it won't happen, but since then, he has otherwise been contained.

You're right though that Cooley often appears to be the second option. Sometimes it seems that the running back and Mike Sellers comes in third and fourth. Only on wideout screens does Patten tend to be the primary target. So either it's the system, or Brunell and Patten just haven't gotten on the same page yet.

[That Guy]

time to see if jacobs is ready to play in the nfl i guess... only took 2+ years.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Instead of simply bashing Patten, can someone explain why Patten was so productive for a #2 wideout in New England, but isn't a productive wideout here in D.C.?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Instead of simply bashing Patten, can someone explain why Patten was so productive for a #2 wideout in New England, but isn't a productive wideout here in D.C.?

To me, it just seems like he's playing to be the # option as receiver. I haven't seen him do anything special, and I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the playcalling. If that was the case, than Moss wouldn't be having such the year that he's having. I think Patten is mostly a possession receiver, but he hasnt' exactly been consistant. However, I still would take Patten over Gardner.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Instead of simply bashing Patten, can someone explain why Patten was so productive for a #2 wideout in New England, but isn't a productive wideout here in D.C.?

yah i wonder, Patten was quite possibley the best WR on that team last year.

He had 44 catches 800 yards 7 TOUCHDOWNS 18.2 average

Givens was more consistant with 56 catches 874 yards 3 TDs 15.6 average

i just don't understand why, i do however think he has it in him. Maybe being out a week or so will allow him to take a step back and evaluate things and have a good 6 games to end it. He has the potential and he has 1 on 1 every game. He needs to step up and take responsibility. I think he will start being a big part but i always feel our players will be amazing. I thought it would be TD after TD with Moss and Patten side by side, two of the top three yards per catch players.

I was only joking about taylor, i still don't mind him at goal line though. Hopefully glass man jacobs will have a big day and also show the potential we all know he has.

Thrash is gonna have to do some heavy lifting in this game too.

[Beemnseven]

We've all been saying that sooner or later, Moss is going to get doubled, and Patten will have step up.

Watch, this will be the week that Santana Moss is shutdown.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

We've all been saying that sooner or later, Moss is going to get doubled, and Patten will have step up.

Watch, this will be the week that Santana Moss is shutdown.

shut down by who? if you don't know, the raider's D is worse than awful and possibly their best defensive player (woodson) is out with a broken leg... I know fabian washington ran a 4.27, but he's not exactly a polished veteran (being a rookie and not highly thought of in the draft etc).