Coles vs. Moss update

[MTK]

Coles: 57 catches, 612 yards, 10.7 avg, 2 TD.

Moss: 66 catches, 1111 yards, 16.8 avg, 6 TD.

Remind me again who get the better end of this deal!!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I will eat (some) crow and say that Moss is FAR better than I expected. Moss was an unknown quantity in the league and Gibbs & Co. did a good job scouting him.

I do think that Coles is better than people give him credit for. Coles is one tough MF with the heart to plow ahead after contact. It's tough to evaluate his worth given the state of the New York Jets. Nevertheless, Moss is a stud and I do the trade again in a heartbeat (even though I'd like to have both Coles and Moss).

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

(even though I'd like to have both Coles and Moss).

ditto

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I will eat (some) crow and say that Moss is FAR better than I expected. Moss was an unknown quantity in the league and Gibbs & Co. did a good job scouting him.

I do think that Coles is better than people give him credit for. Coles is one tough MF with the heart to plow ahead after contact. It's tough to evaluate his worth given the state of the New York Jets. Nevertheless, Moss is a stud and I do the trade again in a heartbeat (even though I'd like to have both Coles and Moss).

I'm with him. I still think Coles is a good reciver but I could not have been more wrong about this deal.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I will eat (some) crow and say that Moss is FAR better than I expected. Moss was an unknown quantity in the league and Gibbs & Co. did a good job scouting him.

I do think that Coles is better than people give him credit for. Coles is one tough MF with the heart to plow ahead after contact. It's tough to evaluate his worth given the state of the New York Jets. Nevertheless, Moss is a stud and I do the trade again in a heartbeat (even though I'd like to have both Coles and Moss).

Good call stepping to the plate RF. Moss is EVERYTHING we wanted Coles to be. I don't know if Coles is that tough or not? I'm not close enough the situation. He did not produce-always the toe problem, which he refused to do anything about. Maybe Brunell could not get him the ball? Seems to me it is more Coles. having a lousy year in the NY-albeit lousy team. I do however know..............Moss is KICKIN" ASS!!!!!!!!!

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Good call stepping to the plate RF. Moss is EVERYTHING we wanted Coles to be. I don't know if Coles is that tough or not? I'm not close enough the situation. He did not produce-always the toe problem, which he refused to do anything about. Maybe Brunell could not get him the ball? Seems to me it is more Coles. having a lousy year in the NY-albeit lousy team. I do however know..............Moss is KICKIN" ASS!!!!!!!!!

Brunell couldn't get him the ball? He had over 90 catches his last season here.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Brunell couldn't get him the ball? He had over 90 catches his last season here.

Just politically correct thought, D66. apologies!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Good call stepping to the plate RF. Moss is EVERYTHING we wanted Coles to be. I don't know if Coles is that tough or not? I'm not close enough the situation. He did not produce-always the toe problem, which he refused to do anything about. Maybe Brunell could not get him the ball? Seems to me it is more Coles. having a lousy year in the NY-albeit lousy team. I do however know..............Moss is KICKIN" ASS!!!!!!!!!

I always step up and eat crow when my predictions/comments are wrong. I'd be an idiot if I didn't reevaluate my positions in the face of facts. I stepped up and said Brunell is far better than I thought after bashing him last year and early this season. In fact, I think I've become one of Brunell's stronger supporters on this site.

Thanks for noticing/appreciating that I am willing eat crow.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I always step up and eat crow when my predictions/comments are wrong. I'd be an idiot if I didn't reevaluate my positions in the face of facts. I stepped up and said Brunell is far better than I thought after bashing him last year and early this season. In fact, I think I've become one of Brunell's stronger supporters on this site.

Thanks for noticing/appreciating that I am willing eat crow.

It was a prop!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It was a prop!

I know, I wasn't being sarcastic. Thanks.

[Redskins_P]

And supposedly, we have the worst front office/scout team. Geez we need a GM!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

And supposedly, we have the worst front office/scout team. Geez we need a GM!

I don't think everyone hates the moves or players we go after. They hate the hugh contracts that they give players and the picks we give up for a player. Like in the Portis/Bailey trade did we realy have to give up a 2nd round pick in the trade. I get the feeling like we let others dictate the terms of the trades or contracts and we just say OK that good for us. I have said in the past that maybe we need a tough negotiator to help with these deals. it takes a special tallent to be a good negotiator and its obvious we do not have anyone in our front office with these skills.

[onsidekick]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I don't think everyone hates the moves or players we go after. They hate the hugh contracts that they give players and the picks we give up for a player. Like in the Portis/Bailey trade did we realy have to give up a 2nd round pick in the trade. I get the feeling like we let others dictate the terms of the trades or contracts and we just say OK that good for us. I have said in the past that maybe we need a tough negotiator to help with these deals. it takes a special tallent to be a good negotiator and its obvious we do not have anyone in our front office with these skills.

Good point about the contracts. Coles was a good signing at the time but does anyone remember the HUGE signing bonus we gave him. That money would come in handy right about now

[MTK]

Unless you were there at the negotiations between Dan and the Broncos, who really knows what went down. There seems to be this assumption that we just threw in the 2nd rounder for good measure. Snyder seems like he probably knows a thing or two in how to negotiate. He didn't build an empire by being a pushover.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Unless you were there at the negotiations between Dan and the Broncos, who really knows what went down. There seems to be this assumption that we just threw in the 2nd rounder for good measure. Snyder seems like he probably knows a thing or two in how to negotiate. He didn't build an empire by being a pushover.

I agree, and I don't think that second rounder should be considered as a throw-in because we were going to loose Bailey anyway. The deal probaly could not have been consumated without the draft choice.