Skins fans should hope Ramsey starts and does well for the offseason (merged)

[paulskinsfan]

First off let me say that I was away over the holiday weekend and Ive spent over an hour now trying to catch up on yet another great and, for me, unexpected beat down victory! I for one never thought the Skins could run the table, and I know they haven't yet, but their play over the past 4 weeks has surprised the hell out of me so God Bless you Joe Gibbs! I still think we need a GM, but no one can criticize your second season here. For me, the victories over the Cowboys made the entire season worthwhile, even if we don't make the playoffs, this year has brought back some pride to the burgundy and gold, so again thank you Joe.

NOW, here's the thing, Brunnell is hurt, he may play but he's hurt and Im worried. We all remember how horrible Brunnell was last year when he had a bad hamstring, if his legs are hurt he won't have the zip on his balls and he won't be accurate, and honestly, an inaccurate weak throwing Brunnell will get us buried. Sooooo, I say play Ramsey. If Ramsey plays well we might actually get a 3rd rounder for him in the offseason. A good outing for Ramsey helps this team IMMENSELY in the offseason. On the other hand, if Brunnell starts and its obvious that he reverts to last year's form then its going to be 8 men in the box to stop Portis, again, just like last year.

[MTK]

He's played with injuries all year, calf, hand, etc.

His knee isn't even that bad, I'm sure he'll be fine if he plays.

If you're waiting for Brunell of last year to show up, keep waiting cause it ain't gonna happen.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

He's played with injuries all year, calf, hand, etc.

His knee isn't even that bad, I'm sure he'll be fine if he plays.

If you're waiting for Brunell of last year to show up, keep waiting cause it ain't gonna happen.

You're right, he has played with injuries. But wasn't the hand injury on his non-throwing hand? The calf injury seemed really minor too, not like a knee injury. It just seems like his mobility and his ability to step into his throws may be limited, but I hope not.

[44deisel44]

Doesn't matter who starts. Our D will EAT philly alive!!!! As far as Ramsey playing well....been there done that.... i for 1 don't want our playoff hopes riding on a QB that has 3.5 quarters of experience this yr!!!!!!! Forget about what we MAY get 4 him. I think he is gone and unless he takes us through playoffs we wont get much 4 him.

[gibbsisgod]

i think we can beat the eagles with ramsey starting. even if brunell is healthy i think gibbs should sit him for a week to get all rested up for our championship run.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

...NOW, here's the thing, Brunnell is hurt, he may play but he's hurt and Im worried. We all remember how horrible Brunnell was last year when he had a bad hamstring, if his legs are hurt he won't have the zip on his balls and he won't be accurate, and honestly, an inaccurate weak throwing Brunnell will get us buried. Sooooo, I say play Ramsey. If Ramsey plays well we might actually get a 3rd rounder for him in the offseason. A good outing for Ramsey helps this team IMMENSELY in the offseason. On the other hand, if Brunnell starts and its obvious that he reverts to last year's form then its going to be 8 men in the box to stop Portis, again, just like last year.

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

[SanFranSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

Rock on! But if Mark can't move around Ramsey should be able to take care of things. Gibbs is hoping Mark is up to start....

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

I think that has been the mentality of skins fans for the past decade. Since we haven't had much to play for in the past, we'd play for draft picks and offseason moves. This year, we're finally playing for the post season. You're right...you put the guys in that gotcha to this point.

[saskin]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

Amen!

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

I agree 100%. Throughout his career Brunell has played through such injuries, and we thought he was done because of age and injury, but we were all proved wrong this year. Playoffs are number one right now, not the offseason. And if Ramsey starts, I know Coach Gibbs will run much more, than if Brunell starts, simply because Ramsey has not performed well under pressure, or passing in general. Yea he did good last game, but he passed less 10 times. In 4 quarters of game, he will need to take many more attempts. We still do not know how Ramsey will play in a full game, and why go away from a guy that has been pulling it out with injury? If Ramsey starts, then coach will run more, to prevent potential mistakes. Then the Eagles will put 8 in the box, which will make running much harder. Then Ramsey will be forced to pass. Do I have faith in Ramsey, yes; but I would not go away from Brunell if he well enough to play, simply because of what he has done. The throwaways, the extra steps, the experience that comes with Brunell, is what even has us in this position right now.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

Maybe my post wasn't clear, if not I apologize. Brunnell is the better QB IF he's healthy, and that's a big IF. We have seen what happens to Brunnell when his legs are injured, he can't step into his throws and Gibbs won't yank him. If Brunnell takes the field and his balls fall 3 feet in front of the receivers like last year, Gibbs better go to Ramsey and quick. If he does go to Ramsey, then it only benefits everyone if Ramsey plays well. If Ramsey plays well in a game or two it drastically increases his value. There is no way we get a 2nd rounder for him at this point unless he shows something. Right now, we would probably get a 5th rounder for the guy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Maybe my post wasn't clear, if not I apologize. Brunnell is the better QB IF he's healthy, and that's a big IF. We have seen what happens to Brunnell when his legs are injured, he can't step into his throws and Gibbs won't yank him. If Brunnell takes the field and his balls fall 3 feet in front of the receivers like last year, Gibbs better go to Ramsey and quick. If he does go to Ramsey, then it only benefits everyone if Ramsey plays well. If Ramsey plays well in a game or two it drastically increases his value. There is no way we get a 2nd rounder for him at this point unless he shows something. Right now, we would probably get a 5th rounder for the guy.

I would think that if Brunells is bad enough for him to have trouble throwing the ball the coaches would no that before the game ever starts. I do not understand why so many people want to see Ramsey play it was Brunell who has got us this far. Ramsey did play a good half for us but remember he only threw 7 passes 5 comp for 104 yards and 74 came on one play.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I would think that if Brunells is bad enough for him to have trouble throwing the ball the coaches would no that before the game ever starts. I do not understand why so many people want to see Ramsey play it was Brunell who has got us this far. Ramsey did play a good half for us but remember he only threw 7 passes 5 comp for 104 yards and 74 came on one play.

That is exactly right. Gibbs and staff are not morons, they will make the right call on game day. I will lose my voice cheering for whoever plays.

Firstdown,
You bring up a good second point:
I was looking at the highlights of the Giants game and I noticed the throw from Ramsey to Moss on the 75yd TD, the throw actually only traveled 15-20 yards in the air before Moss caught it. Then the defender slipped and Moss sprinted 55 yards on his own. So Ramsey really only threw 5 of 7 for 54 yards.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is exactly right. Gibbs and staff are not morons, they will make the right call on game day. I will lose my voice cheering for whoever plays.

Firstdown,
You bring up a good second point:
I was looking at the highlights of the Giants game and I noticed the throw from Ramsey to Moss on the 75yd TD, the throw actually only traveled 15-20 yards in the air before Moss caught it. Then the defender slipped and Moss sprinted 55 yards on his own. So Ramsey really only threw 5 of 7 for 54 yards.

I will give him credit for the 75 yards because Brunell gets the same credit. The point I was trying to make is that alot of his passing yards where that one play.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Maybe my post wasn't clear, if not I apologize. Brunnell is the better QB IF he's healthy, and that's a big IF. We have seen what happens to Brunnell when his legs are injured, he can't step into his throws and Gibbs won't yank him. If Brunnell takes the field and his balls fall 3 feet in front of the receivers like last year, Gibbs better go to Ramsey and quick. If he does go to Ramsey, then it only benefits everyone if Ramsey plays well. If Ramsey plays well in a game or two it drastically increases his value. There is no way we get a 2nd rounder for him at this point unless he shows something. Right now, we would probably get a 5th rounder for the guy.

Well, that injury last year was a hammy, far more serious and time consuming injury than what he sustained this past weekend. I'm confident that Mark Brunell will be starting this weekend. I don't believe you put in Patrick Ramsey for the sake of seeing if we can push his value up for the offseason. I believe you stick with Brunell to try and win a playoff spot. If we were 6-9 at this point, yeah I'd play Patrick Ramsey.