Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

[MTK]

I guess we'll find some answers on Monday.

Thank god.

[Longtimefan]

There have been several QB's that come to mind who didn't reach their maxium potential until their mid 30's. One of our Superbowl MVP's was well into his 30's, so I guess some save the best for last.

[That Guy]

didnt gannon break out just before retirement age?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by VishsSkins

Neither ramsey or brunell looked superb in the bears game. Gibbs definitely did not base his decision to change QBs on that one game alone, so I really see no point in talking about who did better. From what I have seen in the preseason (and preseason is all we can judge them on since our offense this year is nothing like our offense last year) ramsey is capable of getting big chunks of yards by throwing the ball deep but i think everyone can agree that he is about as inconsistent as it gets. Remember the cincy game? Sure, he put up over 150yds in one half but how many point did we score with him in there? The point is that costly turnovers outweigh gaining a bunch of yardage and ramsey has always been prone to throwing ints and standing too long in the pocket, leading to a high number of sacks and even some fumbles.

Our offense is much different than it was last year and brunell has not gotten an opportunity to be a part of it. A lot of people say that the only reason brunell did good in the preseason was because he was going against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Well, wasnt he working with our 2nd and 3rd string offense too? If the argument has been made that he would have done worse had he played against 1st team defenses, isnt it logical to belive he would have done better with our first team offense? I dont know about you guys but to me, throughout the whole preseason, brunell just looked much more comfortable out there. He throws the ball with a lot more zip on it than last year and he also seems more mobile as well. What makes everyone think that he cant get the ball downfield while ramsey can? Our offensive gameplan was a lot more mellow when brunell was in there but we still moved the ball efficiently. I just think that its unfair to say that all brunell can do is "dink and dunk" while ramsey can sling it around as he pleases. That really doesnt seem like an accurate statement. I agree that ramsey was on a short leash but has he really shown that he can be a quality starter in the NFL? I am not saying that I like brunell better than ramsey but what I am saying is that we need to look at this objectively and see where gibbs is coming from. I do not think ramsey is a better QB than brunell. If gibbs feels more comfortable having brunell be his QB than brunell should be in there.

With our defense and running game, we dont need a manning, or mcnabb, or culpepper, or anyone close to that caliber. We need a QB who can manage the game, complete a high percentage of his passes, doesnt turn the ball over, and has the ability to open up the passing game when necessary. I see know reason why brunell doenst fit that description.

No reason????? Obviously you didn't own a TV last season!

[Longtimefan]

Matty; As bad as Brunell looked last year, throwing passes short of the receivers, in the dirt, in the stands, just awful, Ramsey still could not get off the pine. Just think about that for a minute: Any coach in any league anywhere in the world would have benched him, but Gibbs stuck with him despite how badly he was playing because he knew his options were limited. Brunell's terrible play was an indictment of what little faith Gibbs had in Ramsey, and he wouldn't have taken Brunell out when he did except for fear of mutiny at Fed-X on Sundays. It's really sad to think a coach would tolerate that kind of play before going to his first alternative.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

There have been several QB's that come to mind who didn't reach their maxium potential until their mid 30's. One of our Superbowl MVP's was well into his 30's, so I guess some save the best for last.

the general idea is that Brunell's maximum potential has already come (and gone), while Ramsey hasn't yet come close..

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.

Very well said and 100% true!

[Big Oh]

Originally Posted by LadyT

You're right. Every Ramsey basher has pointed to his TOs, but none of them has talked about Brunell's 9 TOs in 9 games last year. Why is this seen as a Ramsey problem? Brunell is guilty of the exact same thing.

Your right, the one pick we now know came because the reciever ran the wrong route and the second fumble should have been a 15 yard penalty.

Nobody is thinking about the future here! Campbell wont be ready for 2-4 years and Brunell who I have tremedous respect for does not have much left.
Patrick is in the stage of his career where he needs to play through his mistakes to get bettter. (He was starting to settle down and get comfortable in the pocket and build confidence.) There is no better team to do it with. We have the BEST defense in the league and a running game that is awesome if we dont have to face 8 men in the box 90% of the time.

[VishsSkins]

Originally Posted by offiss

No reason????? Obviously you didn't own a TV last season!

I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by VishsSkins

I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?

I think he can, hopefully... but last year he didn't.

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

Let's just throw this out there..

Ramsey starts the game 1 for 4 for 4 yds, INT...

he then goes 5 for 7 for 101 yards (not bad AT ALL!) BUT...

if the bogus penalty on Cooley wasn't called it becomes 6 for 8 for 107 yds, TD. AND don't forget Portis drops a VERY catchable ball in there that would have been a 7 yarder which would have made him 7 for 8 for 114yds, TD after his first 4 attempts. I'd say that's damn good for ANY quarterback in the NFL in their first REAL action of the season after getting warmed-up (first 4 attempts).

That thought has crossed my mind as well. Ramsey Started off as a stinker like he had all preseason, but seemed to get better as he went along.

The key to all this thing is if Mark Brunell has his physical ability back. If he can throw the ball deep again, like he hinted at in the preseason with his play, and if he can move around and make plays while taking care of the football and make smart decisions then I would guaruntee we have a shot at the play offs.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by VishsSkins

I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?

Very simple who did he do it against? 2nd string players in games that don't count, how was his pre-season last year? He won the job didn't he? And guess what he was horrible, I also didn't see anything against the bears to make me believe he's any different, 3 FG's, and 70 yds, I would like to know the last QB who threw for less than 100 yds in 5 of his last 6 games as Brunell has? I will even let you inc. rookies anyone you please, my guess is you might find a candidate in Boller and that's it.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Very simple who did he do it against? 2nd string players in games that don't count, how was his pre-season last year? He won the job didn't he? And guess what he was horrible, I also didn't see anything against the bears to make me believe he's any different, 3 FG's, and 70 yds, I would like to know the last QB who threw for less than 100 yds in 5 of his last 6 games as Brunell has? I will even let you inc. rookies anyone you please, my guess is you might find a candidate in Boller and that's it.

maybe in the combined awfulness of the bears offense over the last years?