O line

[skins052bgr8]

Good post and conversation, it seems we can all agree that with those two bombs and that we have some true playmakers that can beat the deep coverage. We need to beat that blitz and challenge some of those safeties like earlier posted with Patten and Moss. I think those two plays will open and give the Offense alot of confidence to go deep more often. I think Dallas did a good job of game planning for blitzes with the screens and quick passes which showed in that 1st drive. They new we were coming, but the Skins countered and cut back on the blitzes as heavily and played solid D with occassional blitzes to keep them off beat alittle. Our O line is solid, but taking on a team that blitzed as much as the Cowboys you wear down and miss some blitzes. Key is make a few teams pay beating them with the deep ball and once Gibbs gets adjusted and figures out which plays he has in his arsenal will do just that. Throwing it away to avoid the blitz is not effective way to get Defenses from stop blitzing and urges them to continue if you throw it away to kill your drives.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Oh my gosh this is what I have been saying since the middle of the first quarter against the Bears. NO SECONDARY in the has the speed to cover both Patten and Moss on flys and posts without two Safeties in ladder coverage. Hell Moss gets 5 or 6 yards of sepeartion just about any time he runs a fly one on one. Line those two midgets up on opposite sides of the field and have them run like forrest gump. The safety then has to decide which to provide ladder coverage on and the other should have one on one. THROW IT 30 yards past him and let him run under it. At least if it is too long it doesn't get picked. If they bring two safeties back to cover the flys then start dumping off to Cooley, Portis and Royal and let them get 9 or 10 YAC. I sat in the high ups at the Bears game and had a good view of the whole field. I am tellings you this would have worked. I watched Moss just run by guys every time he was running a lateral route. It was ridiculous.

Absolutly! I would come out against Seatle and start firing downfield immediatly, 3 long passes to either sideline, but I would couple that with Cooley down the center of the field, he will beat the LB's which will leave 1 on 1 coverage for someone all of the time, and only leave 7 men in the box on the defensive side, but these things are not a QB problem or a player problem they are a scheme problem which is a Gibbs problem.

Once a team figures out they will have man to man coverage everyplay against WR's with the kind of speed we have they will have to pull back and play a more conservative pass coverage, which will open things up for Portis.

The concern I do have is this, everytime we think Gibbs is going to open things up and turn the corner with a game plan that seems pretty obvious to most of us, he goes right back into his shell and stagnates the offense, almost as if he can't wait to just play conservative.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

THROW IT 30 yards past him and let him run under it. At least if it is too long it doesn't get picked. If they bring two safeties back to cover the flys then start dumping off to Cooley, Portis and Royal and let them get 9 or 10 YAC. I sat in the high ups at the Bears game and had a good view of the whole field. I am tellings you this would have worked. I watched Moss just run by guys every time he was running a lateral route. It was ridiculous.

glad you saw it, i can't imagine CBs keeping up with those two all game. Brunell underthrows it low and outside to keep the db from getting at it but the curls and comebacks just have to stop, whether gameplanned or not. that also keeps LBs and DBs in the box for the pickoff and just cause more problems for Portis!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jermus22

I mentioned more than once in the second and third quarters that the 'Boys wouldn't respect us until we threw deep. Even though I had defended Gibbs' decision up to that point, I was starting to wonder myself whether he was gratifying his own pride by keeping Brunell in there. I'm glad I was wrong. It definitely seemed like there were a lot of Cowboys playing up in the box to blitz and snuff out our runs. It was kind of funny how one of the commentators noted how calm Gibbs was in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

i really hope you're not suggesting Gibbs was intentionally calling that game to be a 56 minute "play action pass". to throw short all game just to throw long at the end? *very* unlikely.

[jermus22]

Naw, boss. Just glad he was cool about it and came through in the end.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

The concern I do have is this, everytime we think Gibbs is going to open things up and turn the corner with a game plan that seems pretty obvious to most of us, he goes right back into his shell and stagnates the offense, almost as if he can't wait to just play conservative.

well ideally you want to, *when you have a LEAD*. its that LEAD we need to get first!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by jermus22

Naw, boss. Just glad he was cool about it and came through in the end.

yeah it was great to see ol' Ice Face get so happy at the end!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by illdefined

well ideally you want to, *when you have a LEAD*. its that LEAD we need to get first!

The problem is Gibbs calls a game as if we were up 21 points.


I don't think we will grab many leads if we don't start firing downfield, we have to back the defense up whether we complete them or not, we have to force them back, that is the only way we will get Portis going, and then that will allow Gibbs to mix his play calling and control the ball, it's kind of like a fighter, you have to knock someone out before others will respect your power, and we really haven't done that yet, monday night was a step in that direction, but teams aren't going to back off until we prove we can do it, and are willing to do it consistantly.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

The problem is Gibbs calls a game as if we were up 21 points.


I don't think we will grab many leads if we don't start firing downfield, we have to back the defense up whether we complete them or not, we have to force them back, that is the only way we will get Portis going, and then that will allow Gibbs to mix his play calling and control the ball, it's kind of like a fighter, you have to knock someone out before others will respect your power, and we really haven't done that yet, monday night was a step in that direction, but teams aren't going to back off until we prove we can do it, and are willing to do it consistantly.

agree 100%

Gibbs said he tried a handful of down the field throws before the 4th quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough to have the safeties back off. after monday night, i challenge Brunell to try and overthrow these guys once or twice a drive at least.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by illdefined

agree 100%

Gibbs said he tried a handful of down the field throws before the 4th quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough to have the safeties back off. after monday night, i challenge Brunell to try and overthrow these guys once or twice a drive at least.

It's not just trying them. They have to hit sometimes before a team will respect them. Now that we have hit a few it should back some people off a bit but we need to hit a few more in the next few games to cement it into the scout book. If we hit one or two of those a game(they don't need to go for TDs but just simply big gainers) then we'll be in good shape. I think play one against Seattle we go deep just so they know it's coming.