And yet, Art still doesn't qualify?

[5RINGS]

If Monk was on TV and made an A$$ of himself every week he would probably get in first ballot.
Monk should be in.
BUt at least Dr Z show who he votes for. A lot of the others never say, and the Dr also has a healthy respect for the Olinemen and Dlinemen.

If Dr Z thinks Ellard ahead of Monk okay, but then that begs the question - who the hell are the other guys voting for!?!?!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

If Dr Z thinks Ellard ahead of Monk okay, but then that begs the question - who the hell are the other guys voting for!?!?!

I agree he can prefer anyone he wants, and yes he does give reasons - but the bottom line (which he will never admit) is that it comes down to players he likes. Once he likes you, you get his vote and he then justifies it either through stats or "un"-stats (Ellard's long years of service). But his justifications are simply not consistent. He doesn't like Monk - and no stats or arguments that Monk sacrificed for the team, made clutch catches, wasn't showy but quietly proficient, or had long years of service etc. will change his mind - Even though all of those are reasons he gives for voting others in who don't have Monk's stats. I would like to see him admit his f***ing hypocrisy, but he will never do it.

More Z quotes:
From a 1999 Article (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/you...treel_hof_drz/)
"If you want the '80s there's Art Monk, but I wouldn't vote for him because he made a living on eight-yard hooks."

"I've always been very much in Lynn Swann's corner. At the selection committee meetings the argument against him was that he didn't have the numbers. My argument is that I'll take quality over quantity. He saved his best for the biggest moments."

"Why isn't Bullet Bob Hayes a Hall of Famer?
Dr. Z: Not enough catches, too many other great athletes on that team, the drug stuff puts off some people."


From 2005 (http://redskins.scout.com/2/350044.html):
"SI.COM: How about Art Monk?
Dr. Z: Monk was hurt by Michael Irvin being eligible this year. It's done alphabetically, and Irvin was presented before Monk. I think that really hurt him."

Also from 2005 (http://www.basketballdraft.com/2004/...7/21/05.hof/):
"Art Monk is another four-timer. A great possession receiver. Caught a lot of balls in Joe Gibbs' system. Every time I mention that I didn't vote for him because I simply felt that other people were more deserving than a guy who caught 900 eight-yard hooks[.]"

[onsidekick]

Michael Irvin and any other of today's prima donna receivers owe a great deal of their success to Art Monk. Maybe Art didn't make a broadway production over every first down he caught in a tight game but he was one of the pioneering "go to" receivers. Without guys like Monk, there wouldn't even be any room for Irvin and Owens because all they would be doing is blocking and catching an occasional pass. Irvin over Monk in the HOF is unheard of in any other sport. You need to give props to the people who moved the game forward and Monk is one of those players.

[FRPLG]

I cannot accurately explain in words how sick it makes me to think Monk is so disrespected. I must keep posting about it just to take the edge off of it a little. Just sickening. Totally sickening. I feel so bad for the guy. He deserves this as much as anyone deserves anything in sports.

[redskins5044]

Art Monk Carrer Stats

16 year carrer- 950 rec 12721 yards 68 TDS

Irvins Stats

12 year carrer 750 rec 11904 yards 65 TDS

I know stats aren't everything they take into account for the HOF but i believe Monk won a Super Bowl. Also Monks stats a little higher due to playing four more years. but i subtracted monks rec by irvins and if you average it out monk averaged 47 catches over the last four years