Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey

hurrykaine · 11-13-2005, 09:16 PM

The difference between Brunell and Ramsey is that the former fumbles, but doesn't throw many picks, but the latter both fumbles (when hit) and throws picks. Today, Brunell was Ramsey.

Ok, maybe that's simplifying things since Brunell sees the field much better than Ramsey and is more willing to scramble to pick up yards.

The point of this thread is notNOTNOT to initiate Brunell vs Ramsey talk again, but initiate fan talk about the emphasis on better protection for Brunell, as well as Brunell's technique protecting the football. This far, Brunell as been miserable at protecting the ball. Hell, Simeon Rice could've pinched Brunell's a$$ and he would've coughed up the ball.

jdlea · 11-13-2005, 09:18 PM

I just talked to my brother earlier and he said the same thing. Ramsey would get early turnovers, battle back and narrowly lose the game many times. That's pretty much what Brunell did today.

skinsguy · 11-13-2005, 09:19 PM

Gibbs said, the name of the game is protection. That is the number one thing that makes this offense work, and without it, it falls. I thought for the most part, especially in the second half, we made the right adjustments to improve pass protection. As far as those two INTs, they came off of tipped or batted balls, so I don't read too much into those two turnovers although they are turnoves nevertheless.

SmootSmack · 11-13-2005, 09:21 PM

I don't understand why Brunell has had so much trouble holding onto the ball when sacked. As best as I can recall, it's never a problem during his entire career

SUNRA · 11-13-2005, 09:24 PM

Even with the turnovers, the fumbles and forced passes Walt Harris loss this game for the Redskins. He was called for offside on 3 and 4. He was burnt toast all day and he never played up on Galloway or Hilliard which eventually killed him. As Brunell, he played a decent game against the 1# defense in their home and he still was able to move the ball after his mistakes. That's the QB we need at the end of the day. He can win but so many games at the end of the game on the road. Brunell is still the best QB in the NFC East period.

Hail2em · 11-13-2005, 09:28 PM

because he doesn't tuck the ball away thats why...thats obvious!!

SUNRA · 11-13-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2em

because he doesn't tuck the ball away thats why...thats obvious!!

That's true.

saden1 · 11-13-2005, 10:10 PM

The only bad play that can be attributed to Brunell is the fumble. The Two INTs weren't his faults, especially the first one! The Defense really stunk up the joint today!

Longtimefan · 11-13-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

The only bad play that can be attributed to Brunell is the fumble. The Two INTs weren't his faults, especially the first one! The Defense really stunk up the joint today!

What defense?

Beemnseven · 11-13-2005, 10:17 PM

I thought it was interesting to see Simeon Rice apply pressure to Mark Brunell on passing plays.

Maybe our defensive ends could try that sometime.

RedskinPete · 11-13-2005, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

The difference between Brunell and Ramsey is that the former fumbles, but doesn't throw many picks, but the latter both fumbles (when hit) and throws picks. Today, Brunell was Ramsey.

Ok, maybe that's simplifying things since Brunell sees the field much better than Ramsey and is more willing to scramble to pick up yards.

The point of this thread is not to initiate Brunell vs Ramsey talk again, but initiate fan talk about the emphasis on better protection for Brunell, as well as Brunell's technique protecting the football. This far, Brunell as been miserable at protecting the ball. Hell, Simeon Rice could've pinched Brunell's a$$ and he would've coughed up the ball.

The two are not the same Ramsey may never be what we thought he was going to be! Yes Brunell put the ball on the ground. One time cooley blew a block and Rice should have never been blocked one on one! As for the Ints one was Pattons falt clearly! The other Rice again was in his face! Never should have been thrown! Lets look at the hole team!!! All the O hasn't protected the ball this season!!!

That Guy · 11-14-2005, 12:22 AM

brunell has 3 ints and 3 fumbles (2 lost) in the last 3 weeks

FirstandTen · 11-14-2005, 12:29 AM

Brunell played like Ramsey???????? That's F'ing crazy!!! Yea he fumbled but his INT's were clearly not his fault. The fact that Brunell hits multiple targets, scrambles for key 1st downs, and scrambles to get free to pass is something Ramsey never could do!! I can't belive your questioning a QB who led us to 35pts.. GET REAL!!!

44deisel44 · 11-14-2005, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hail2em

because he doesn't tuck the ball away thats why...thats obvious!!

Please!!!! Dont do this thread.......brunell had a decent outing...If Patton woulda come back towards ball and catch(Moss)NO pick!!!!!...second, Brunell shoulda audibled(which he said he doesnt dare in THIS weeks conference) in an OBVIOUS man 4 man coverage with man in motion and DB following

!!!! QUICK SLANT not gonna work. Kudos for rice's hustle to make the pick....I'm finding it harder and harder to talk with the Negative fan base here!!!!Please guys...Keep your head up. Im impressed(once again) with our offensive game plan and performance!!!!! Ive told my family...of skins fans with over 2 centuries of devotion among us that we do NOT need to be so aggresive on defense!!! We have the talent on Offense greg!!!!!! We dont need u to win games THIS year. By the way...LOVE the new faces....

44deisel44 · 11-14-2005, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Brunell played like Ramsey???????? That's F'ing crazy!!! Yea he fumbled but his INT's were clearly not his fault. The fact that Brunell hits multiple targets, scrambles for key 1st downs, and scrambles to get free to pass is something Ramsey never could do!! I can't belive your questioning a QB who led us to 35pts.. GET REAL!!!

THANK YOU!!!! You just became my favorite Warpath friend...

11-13-2005, 09:16 PM	#1
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 51 Posts: 762	Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey The difference between Brunell and Ramsey is that the former fumbles, but doesn't throw many picks, but the latter both fumbles (when hit) and throws picks. Today, Brunell was Ramsey. Ok, maybe that's simplifying things since Brunell sees the field much better than Ramsey and is more willing to scramble to pick up yards. The point of this thread is notNOTNOT to initiate Brunell vs Ramsey talk again, but initiate fan talk about the emphasis on better protection for Brunell, as well as Brunell's technique protecting the football. This far, Brunell as been miserable at protecting the ball. Hell, Simeon Rice could've pinched Brunell's a$$ and he would've coughed up the ball. Last edited by hurrykaine; 11-14-2005 at 01:17 AM.

11-13-2005, 09:18 PM	#2
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey I just talked to my brother earlier and he said the same thing. Ramsey would get early turnovers, battle back and narrowly lose the game many times. That's pretty much what Brunell did today.

11-13-2005, 09:19 PM	#3
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey Gibbs said, the name of the game is protection. That is the number one thing that makes this offense work, and without it, it falls. I thought for the most part, especially in the second half, we made the right adjustments to improve pass protection. As far as those two INTs, they came off of tipped or batted balls, so I don't read too much into those two turnovers although they are turnoves nevertheless. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

11-13-2005, 09:21 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey I don't understand why Brunell has had so much trouble holding onto the ball when sacked. As best as I can recall, it's never a problem during his entire career __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-13-2005, 09:24 PM	#5
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey Even with the turnovers, the fumbles and forced passes Walt Harris loss this game for the Redskins. He was called for offside on 3 and 4. He was burnt toast all day and he never played up on Galloway or Hilliard which eventually killed him. As Brunell, he played a decent game against the 1# defense in their home and he still was able to move the ball after his mistakes. That's the QB we need at the end of the day. He can win but so many games at the end of the game on the road. Brunell is still the best QB in the NFC East period. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

11-13-2005, 09:28 PM	#6
Hail2em Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Va. Beach, Virginia Posts: 229	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey because he doesn't tuck the ball away thats why...thats obvious!!

11-13-2005, 10:10 PM	#8
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey The only bad play that can be attributed to Brunell is the fumble. The Two INTs weren't his faults, especially the first one! The Defense really stunk up the joint today!

11-13-2005, 10:17 PM	#10
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey I thought it was interesting to see Simeon Rice apply pressure to Mark Brunell on passing plays. Maybe our defensive ends could try that sometime.

11-14-2005, 12:22 AM	#12
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey brunell has 3 ints and 3 fumbles (2 lost) in the last 3 weeks

11-14-2005, 12:29 AM	#13
FirstandTen Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bristow VA Age: 48 Posts: 254	Re: Today, Brunell looked like Ramsey Brunell played like Ramsey???????? That's F'ing crazy!!! Yea he fumbled but his INT's were clearly not his fault. The fact that Brunell hits multiple targets, scrambles for key 1st downs, and scrambles to get free to pass is something Ramsey never could do!! I can't belive your questioning a QB who led us to 35pts.. GET REAL!!! Last edited by FirstandTen; 11-14-2005 at 12:40 AM.

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