Clock Management or lack thereof

[RedskinRat]

2:00 to go,we come out of the 2 minute warning Time Out, Frost to punt.

Question: Why couldn't we have taken a 'Delay of Game' penalty on the punt, waited for the clock to tick off 25 seconds (I think, for a Time Out after the 2Minute Warning) and then an additional 40 seconds off for one of our remaining Time Out's? That would have left considerably less time for the Bucs to move down, and hopefully Frost would have managed a little better a punt. :frusty:

[MTK]

The clock doesn't start until the snap.

[RedskinRat]

Damn it..........I knew there had to be a reason, but I was so agitated (to put it mildly) that I wasn't thinking straight.

Thanks for the info Matt.

[MTK]

Actually the clock might not start until the return, not positive.

[dmek25]

starts with the snap,matt.what good teams do on 3rd and 2 is get the first down,then the games over

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by dmek25

starts with the snap,matt.what good teams do on 3rd and 2 is get the first down,then the games over

I don't need reminding.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

starts with the snap,matt.what good teams do on 3rd and 2 is get the first down,then the games over

What good teams do, is not what you think they are going to do....... Everyone knew Portis was going to run right up the middle on 3 and 2 and what did he do........? Run right up the middle. 4th down let's punt. I love the fact that Indy was still throwing the ball all over the field last Monday night against the Pats while they were up by 14 points! Play aggressive. Don't do what everyone expects you to do! Roll out, go deep, something unexpected, not right up the middle. I mean really Gibbs, how many times, late in the game, to protect the lead, have you run the ball 3 times and punted..... let me tell you A LOT!! When will we learn. Great job Gruden on being aggresive on the 2-point conversion.... I gurrantee, Gibbs would never do that!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by scowan

What good teams do, is not what you think they are going to do....... Everyone knew Portis was going to run right up the middle on 3 and 2 and what did he do........? Run right up the middle. 4th down let's punt. I love the fact that Indy was still throwing the ball all over the field last Monday night against the Pats while they were up by 14 points! Play aggressive. Don't do what everyone expects you to do! Roll out, go deep, something unexpected, not right up the middle. I mean really Gibbs, how many times, late in the game, to protect the lead, have you run the ball 3 times and punted..... let me tell you A LOT!! When will we learn. Great job Gruden on being aggresive on the 2-point conversion.... I gurrantee, Gibbs would never do that!

I know when certain people read this I might get blasted, but here goes. I would sometimes question our coaches on certain things, but not here. If we can not run the ball and get two stinking yards then we should have to punt. This comes down to "WANT". Tampa wanted to stop us more than we wanted the first down. Jansen, Thomas, and Rabach should have pushed far enough to get the first down. What happens if Brunell goes back to pass the ball and gets drilled by Rice, or Brooks and fumbles the ball. Then they get the TD anyway. Gibbs won 3 bowls by playing this way. You are up, you run the ball, eat the clock, and make somebody stop you. Different thing is, this ain't your daddys HOGS!!! No way could anybody stop us when we wanted to kill the clock then. This line has got to find away to grind out the ball. If not portis, why not Sellers, Betts, or Broughten(probably spelled wrong). This is what wins games. We were too deep in our territory to throw the ball. And one person who should be looking for a job is the punter. How many times have we needed to pin somebody deep and this guy hits an awful punt. What was that punt, like 30 35 yards. We were on our 20 or so and they got the ball on their 40! This guy shanks punts more than McNabb throws balls in the dirt, and thats alot!

[dmek25]

56fanatic bravo for you!good teams run for two yards and the first down even when everyone in the stadium knows that the skins are going to run.99% of the time the opposition will even know the play we are going to use.ive been a skins fan since 1969 and winning football hasnt changed much.remember 4th and one in the super bowl against the dolphins,everyone in the free world knew riggins was getting the ball,still didnt matter.somewhere along the way our offensive line has to figure this out and step up on these kinds of plays.

[irish]

Originally Posted by scowan

What good teams do, is not what you think they are going to do....... Everyone knew Portis was going to run right up the middle on 3 and 2 and what did he do........? Run right up the middle. 4th down let's punt. I love the fact that Indy was still throwing the ball all over the field last Monday night against the Pats while they were up by 14 points! Play aggressive. Don't do what everyone expects you to do! Roll out, go deep, something unexpected, not right up the middle. I mean really Gibbs, how many times, late in the game, to protect the lead, have you run the ball 3 times and punted..... let me tell you A LOT!! When will we learn. Great job Gruden on being aggresive on the 2-point conversion.... I gurrantee, Gibbs would never do that!

Good teams do what they want no matter what. I heard Jake Jacoby on sports talk 980 this morning say that back in the day they would come to the line and tell randy white "the play is coming over you" and then proceed to do it and make the yardage. That was a good team and thats what they did. This skins team is a so-so team that may make the playoffs.

[Dodor]

Still ... 3 straight plays right up the middle. Remember the earlier play where Portis went in the middle - saw the crowd, bounced off and went outside for the TD. On 3rd and 2, we could have ran a bootleg, an outside run, pitch, or short pass to someone - yet 3 straight runs to the middle. That was the game itself.

Yes I know: defense is to largely blame (See Mike Wise's column in today's Wash Post). I dearly miss Antonio Pierce but - could have won game with a simple play on 3rd and 2.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by irish

Good teams do what they want no matter what. I heard Jake Jacoby on sports talk 980 this morning say that back in the day they would come to the line and tell randy white "the play is coming over you" and then proceed to do it and make the yardage. That was a good team and thats what they did. This skins team is a so-so team that may make the playoffs.

Irish, I agree with you that good teams impose their will on the other team, but Gibbs should also know his team better. Most of our 4th and 1 successes are with Brunell running the QB Sneak. We don't get 2 yards by running up the middle with Portis. If anything put in Betts or Broughton and make them "think" you are going right up the middle and then do something else. Gibbs must learn that this is not the 1980's Skins. These Skins are more finese than power. I just hate the call because it is so predictable. If Gibbs steps down someday, I would not mind having "Chucky" Gruden as our coach. Gutsy playcall that the Football Gods smiled on.

[MTK]

Good teams don't need to get cute on 3rd and 2, and yes this is the way Gibbs will approach these situations 99% of the time and he's won a lot of games this way, so get used to it is what I'm saying.

With the way we were running all day against the #1 ranked D, calling running plays when you need to run out the clock isn't exactly a crazy idea.

[SmootSmack]

I think it would have been gutsy if Gruden had gone for two before the penalties putting Tampa at the one yard line.

Going for two when you're just one yard away...my guess is most coaches would do that. Except maybe Marty

[irish]

Originally Posted by scowan

Irish, I agree with you that good teams impose their will on the other team, but Gibbs should also know his team better. Most of our 4th and 1 successes are with Brunell running the QB Sneak. We don't get 2 yards by running up the middle with Portis. If anything put in Betts or Broughton and make them "think" you are going right up the middle and then do something else. Gibbs must learn that this is not the 1980's Skins. These Skins are more finese than power. I just hate the call because it is so predictable. If Gibbs steps down someday, I would not mind having "Chucky" Gruden as our coach. Gutsy playcall that the Football Gods smiled on.

But your point was that good teams are deceptive and dont do the expected and I showed that's not really true.

Anyway, I know nobody knows the team as well as Gibbs especially a bunch of Monday morning QBs like us.