Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League

JET · 03-08-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins8588

is that from yesterday? I dont see anything anywhere else about them not coming to an agreement today...

That article is from today, but it's saying there hasn't been news of a deal yet, not that the owners turned the offer down.

Redskins8588 · 03-08-2006, 01:35 PM

so then it is no real news then yet...

JWsleep · 03-08-2006, 01:41 PM

No news yet--don't expect it for a while. It's gonna got to the wire. I am not optimisitc.

On a side note--Al Davis seems in good form: joking about people happy to give money away, so long as it's not their's; saying Art Shell is a good coach, and that some stupid owner fired him, etc. And he spoke in SUPPORT of Tagliabue. Someone gave old Al some happy pills, methinks.

skins268 · 03-08-2006, 02:14 PM

The owners Dont wanna take the deal But they will have No other choice because if they Reject the offer then they will be shelling out alot more money in 07' then they would be doing if they agreed.Greed is a part of sports it fuels the competion and the owners are looking like the bad guys but they know they cant spin the heat toward the players we go to see,cause a owner is a invisible target but if we go against the pleyers there would be No more football cause we will blame them for the ticket and parking prices-Owners Accept and bite the Bullet.**Free Fantasy baseball on yahoo.com (League ID:183363 Password:theman)Real redskins fans come and play and pass the time till september.

freddyg12 · 03-08-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skins268

The owners Dont wanna take the deal But they will have No other choice because if they Reject the offer then they will be shelling out alot more money in 07' then they would be doing if they agreed.Greed is a part of sports it fuels the competion and the owners are looking like the bad guys but they know they cant spin the heat toward the players we go to see,cause a owner is a invisible target but if we go against the pleyers there would be No more football cause we will blame them for the ticket and parking prices-Owners Accept and bite the Bullet.**Free Fantasy baseball on yahoo.com (League ID:183363 Password:theman)Real redskins fans come and play and pass the time till september.

True, the one major thing the union has to hold over the owners is an uncapped year in 07 & beyond. The cap holds labor costs down even if you're over it, like the danny is.

That Guy · 03-08-2006, 04:10 PM

the uncapped year in 2007 is a bluff by the players. bidwell could decided to spend 15mill fielding a worthless team (no vet min, no salary floor which is currently 54mill) and he could pocket 65+mill a year from shared tv revenues. he's lucky that arizona is a vacation spot, so he can just advertise for visiting teams and still get decent ticket and concession cash.

If a few teams went the route of the clippers (which were NEVER in contention, but ALWAYS profitable), where is all this extra cash for the players? the top 5 at a position will get more money. Everyone else loses though. vet min is 235-770k a year, but in 2007, the NFL can drop it to 100-120k and still be 20-50% higher in salary than the cfl or afl.

dan_snyder69 · 03-08-2006, 04:40 PM

Hahaa this is driving me crazzzy! Lock these b#tch players out. The owners don't work for the players, the players work for the owners. The owners PROVIDE the players with their jobs! As salaries go up, blue collar players will go away, while prima donnas like T.O. will increase. If the owners agree to these "negotiations", I would have to say it was more of a raping than a negotiation. In a negotiation both sides have to give, and the players really aren't giving at all. If my employees wanted to pull this crap on me I would fire them all (maybe even punch a few), and hire cheaper labor. I personally would enjoy a lockout season, because the players come and go but I am still a Redskins fan. LaVar leaving is a perfect example; it's not about the stars, it's about the team!

As Redskins fans, with a rich young owner (he's gonna be around for a loooong time), we should hope the owners tell the players to go f*** themselves.

Also it is possible for the owners to make their own little salary cap under the table, even if the players don't agree to one.

PWNED · 03-08-2006, 04:46 PM

snyder should spend his money on strippers and tang (not puntang, the drink)

gibbs4life · 03-08-2006, 05:35 PM

as much as i would love to see a deal get done ,i don,t see it happening.

i hope it gets done but i don,t think so.

they have until tonight.

PWNED · 03-08-2006, 06:42 PM

yum..

best investment ever.

seriously though, i think its going to get done as long as jerry jones doesnt block it

Sociofan · 03-08-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DCopper04

Why would the players insist that the signing bonus proration be limited to 5 years instead of 6? What do they have to gain by shortening the proration period? I might be way off here, but it seems that if the proration period is longer, then each player's cap hit through the first 3 years of a deal (the only years that usually matter) will be lower, thus reducing the need for a restructure/release.

Thoughts?

Agreed. Owners will be less forthcoming with bonus money if it jacks up their annual cost (spread over 5 years instead of 6). I'm not sure why players would want this deal. They should be calling for it to be spread over 8 or more years! Realistically, I would push for a proration equivalent to the number of years in the BASE contract, not option years. And if you get an additional bonus 3 years in to play for one more year, it gets rolled into that year only. It will help teams stay out of salary cap purgatory.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-08-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dan_snyder69

Hahaa this is driving me crazzzy! Lock these b#tch players out. The owners don't work for the players, the players work for the owners. The owners PROVIDE the players with their jobs! As salaries go up, blue collar players will go away, while prima donnas like T.O. will increase. If the owners agree to these "negotiations", I would have to say it was more of a raping than a negotiation. In a negotiation both sides have to give, and the players really aren't giving at all. If my employees wanted to pull this crap on me I would fire them all (maybe even punch a few), and hire cheaper labor. I personally would enjoy a lockout season, because the players come and go but I am still a Redskins fan. LaVar leaving is a perfect example; it's not about the stars, it's about the team!

The dispute over the CBA extension no longer involves the players. The dispute is now between the high and low revenue club owners.

So, I guess I don't understand why the players should be blamed because the rich owners have a beef with the "richer" owners.

03-08-2006, 01:35 PM	#17
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League so then it is no real news then yet... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

03-08-2006, 01:41 PM	#18
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League No news yet--don't expect it for a while. It's gonna got to the wire. I am not optimisitc. On a side note--Al Davis seems in good form: joking about people happy to give money away, so long as it's not their's; saying Art Shell is a good coach, and that some stupid owner fired him, etc. And he spoke in SUPPORT of Tagliabue. Someone gave old Al some happy pills, methinks. __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-08-2006, 02:14 PM	#19
skins268 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 111	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League The owners Dont wanna take the deal But they will have No other choice because if they Reject the offer then they will be shelling out alot more money in 07' then they would be doing if they agreed.Greed is a part of sports it fuels the competion and the owners are looking like the bad guys but they know they cant spin the heat toward the players we go to see,cause a owner is a invisible target but if we go against the pleyers there would be No more football cause we will blame them for the ticket and parking prices-Owners Accept and bite the Bullet.**Free Fantasy baseball on yahoo.com (League ID:183363 Password:theman)Real redskins fans come and play and pass the time till september.

03-08-2006, 04:10 PM	#21
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League the uncapped year in 2007 is a bluff by the players. bidwell could decided to spend 15mill fielding a worthless team (no vet min, no salary floor which is currently 54mill) and he could pocket 65+mill a year from shared tv revenues. he's lucky that arizona is a vacation spot, so he can just advertise for visiting teams and still get decent ticket and concession cash. If a few teams went the route of the clippers (which were NEVER in contention, but ALWAYS profitable), where is all this extra cash for the players? the top 5 at a position will get more money. Everyone else loses though. vet min is 235-770k a year, but in 2007, the NFL can drop it to 100-120k and still be 20-50% higher in salary than the cfl or afl.

03-08-2006, 04:40 PM	#22
dan_snyder69 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: maryland & south carolina Posts: 92	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League Hahaa this is driving me crazzzy! Lock these b#tch players out. The owners don't work for the players, the players work for the owners. The owners PROVIDE the players with their jobs! As salaries go up, blue collar players will go away, while prima donnas like T.O. will increase. If the owners agree to these "negotiations", I would have to say it was more of a raping than a negotiation. In a negotiation both sides have to give, and the players really aren't giving at all. If my employees wanted to pull this crap on me I would fire them all (maybe even punch a few), and hire cheaper labor. I personally would enjoy a lockout season, because the players come and go but I am still a Redskins fan. LaVar leaving is a perfect example; it's not about the stars, it's about the team! As Redskins fans, with a rich young owner (he's gonna be around for a loooong time), we should hope the owners tell the players to go f*** themselves. Also it is possible for the owners to make their own little salary cap under the table, even if the players don't agree to one. __________________ Moving to the South only has one drawback: No FedEx Field!

03-08-2006, 04:46 PM	#23
PWNED The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ZOMGZZZ!!111 Age: 32 Posts: 1,160	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League snyder should spend his money on strippers and tang (not puntang, the drink)

03-08-2006, 05:35 PM	#24
gibbs4life Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: chocowinity nc Age: 55 Posts: 282	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League as much as i would love to see a deal get done ,i don,t see it happening. i hope it gets done but i don,t think so. they have until tonight. __________________ with the sixth pick dan synder selects......daniel synder ...to find someone that will be a better fit for the front office..

03-08-2006, 06:42 PM	#25
PWNED The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: ZOMGZZZ!!111 Age: 32 Posts: 1,160	Re: Clayton - The Most Important 24 Hours in the History of the League yum.. best investment ever. seriously though, i think its going to get done as long as jerry jones doesnt block it __________________ 143 lbs of twisted steel and sex appeal.

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