At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?

[hurrykaine]

I understand the need for continuity in coaching staff and players, but our offense in Gibbs 2.0 has been pi$$ poor for the most part. We love Gibbs for what he accomplished in his first stint and honor him for it, but to not have an offensive identity (other than the 5yd dink and dump pass on 3rd and 13) for over two years is clearly Gibbs' fault. Gibbs can still manage people well, but what if this team fails to make the playoffs next year? Are we then justified in calling for his head? 4 years with a losing record in 3 of them and a bunch of aging overpaid vets is reason enough to get anybody canned.

Gibbs got all the players he wanted to make a championship run last year and this year. He picked an aging vet QB and stuck with him, negating all the young talent we have at WR and TE. Buges has underachieved with our offensive line.

He sure has picked a bunch of nice high character guys that won't implode on a team, but you can't claim that as a victory when the goal was to reach the super bowl. Brunell and others saying anything short of the super bowl this year would be a disappointment????!! What gave them the idea at the beginning of the year that we were going to be good enough to reach anywhere near the SB?

[SmootSmack]

I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.

[hurrykaine]

I respect that and can see that right being extended to legends in College Sports (e.g., Joe Pa, Bowden, Dean Smith, etc), but in pro sports?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.

Mark me down as a yes man too.

It goes beyond Gibbs though for me, I'm just tired of coaching changes. Gibbs can have his 5 years before I'll make my ultimate judgement on his 2nd stint.

[Hog1]

I'm a yes man.
How many coaches take perennial losing sports franchises and turn them to winning in 3 years? Or ever? I might also point out that without Gibbs we are the............the Bengals..............the Cardinals. We are record setters of 73-0, and one SB lost.
It is indeed a disgrace this thread was started

[hail_2_da_skins]

Never!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I'd give him a 4th season. If he can't field an offense after that, there will be no need to call for his firing as he will resign. Gibbs is smart and knows that if he can't get it done, he'll leave out of his love for the organization.

[Daseal]

Im not a yes man, but Im patient with coaches. I feel 3 years is the magic number. If you don't have it working by then, something may be wrong. If Gibbs goes through another year like this one next year. Time to let GWill take the ship over.

[hesscl34]

Not again!!! Please make it STOP!

If you don't like Gibbs, go be a Cowboys fan.

[12thMan]

I don't think it's a disgrace that this thread was started, it's a very legit question. Fact of the matter is, if Joe Gibbs' name was...oh, Nick Saban or Mike Tice, or Herm Edwards....this would the put up or shut up year.

It's funny that when Gibbs returned one of the very first things to come out of his mouth was that the past doesn't really buy you much. I do think he's running on borrowed time and reputation here.

That being said, I think he needs to stay and ride out the bumps. Not because he's Joe Gibbs, but for the sake of avoiding another coaching upheaval.

[724Skinsfan]

The point at which Gibbs is caught late night at the Watergate Hotel handing over Saunder's 700 page playbook to 31 represenatatives of the other NFL franchises late at night wearing a diaper and covered in peanut butter and Hershey's Chocolate Magic Shell. At that point a fan would be justified in calling for his resignation.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Not again!!! Please make it STOP!

If you don't like Gibbs, go be a Cowboys fan.

It's not about 'liking' Gibbs? It's about the Redskins...no one is questioning Gibbs loyalty or love for this team, that's very clear.

Bottom line, the success and failure starts with Joe Gibbs, and if that's the case, then this is a very valid thread.

[illdefined]

if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].

other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.). and those are overshadowed by his qualities.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by illdefined

if he pulled Campbell after 19 minutes of play for [He Whom Shall Not Be Named].

other than that unlikely scenario, who the HELL could even hold Gibbs jock leading the Redskins? i mean he's human, he ISN'T God - contrary to half of Warpath's poster handles - he clearly has flaws, but even those are mostly of the good kind (loyalty etc.) but they are way overshadowed by his qualities.

Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think it's a disgrace that this thread was started, it's a very legit question. Fact of the matter is, if Joe Gibbs' name was...oh, Nick Saban or Mike Tice, or Herm Edwards....this would the put up or shut up year.

It's funny that when Gibbs returned one of the very first things to come out of his mouth was that the past doesn't really buy you much. I do think he's running on borrowed time and reputation here.

That being said, I think he needs to stay and ride out the bumps. Not because he's Joe Gibbs, but for the sake of avoiding another coaching upheaval.

You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?