What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Thrash has totally outplayed him. Gibbs freaked out ( just like the Duckett trade) becsue the WR's were hurt at the end of last year. Fine. Bring in one guy. But two? Personally I would have just brough in ARE and drafted a guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Those 3rd and 4th round guys are like gold. They play teams, add depth and are kind against the cap.

I agree, a 3rd & 4th could give us some needed depth on the O & D lines, maybe an immediate starter.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

There was no need to bring in LLoyd. He has a bad attitude and it's starting to show. He is turning into L. Coles. Bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. SF is laughing at us becasue they knew he was a punk. Plus giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder for him? Why not try and find a gem like Colston who is MUCH better and MUCH cheaper? Another bad move by the worst front office in the history of the NFL.

Can you please post something which backs up any of those claims you made about Lloyd? His production has not been that great but then look at our O as a whole has not been very good. Lloyd to me seems like a guy who wants to win and it seems like on alot of our TD's in the past 4 to 5 games its Lloyd providing the blocking for who ever has the ball.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think people are really blowing up this Lloyd stuff into a lot more than it really is.

I think you're right. Some players do not take losing well, and he's one of them. His behavior is a direct result of losing. There are other players on this team who are just as frustrated, they just don't display it the same way he does. I think Joe will get him to where he controls himself better, and with some work, he'll be more productive next season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Lloyd probably won't be around for the 2007 season. He's just not cutting it, and Gibbs isn't going to put up with his antics any longer. Another terrible personnel move by the Skins.

He's reminding me of Gary Clark. I mean the production isn't there yet, but Clark was always "emotional" and probably made Gibbs age 10 years every day

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Can you please post something which backs up any of those claims you made about Lloyd? His production has not been that great but then look at our O as a whole has not been very good. Lloyd to me seems like a guy who wants to win and it seems like on alot of our TD's in the past 4 to 5 games its Lloyd providing the blocking for who ever has the ball.

Yes he blocks his ass off and shows emotion. I'm not questioning that. HOWEVER, his history does not merit his salary and 3rd/ 4th round draft picks. He was a bad locker room guy in SF and many of the vets did not like him. Did not like his personality. He rubbed people the wrong way. To me he does not seem like a Gibbs type of player. As I said before bring in one guy. ARE ( although he is over paid too) plays teams and wr. ARE can do more things. So with all that being said, he is just not worth what we gave up to get him. Save the two draft picks. Use one on a backup O-line, D-line or corner and then go get a big young wr to groom. Giving up what we did to get LLoyd kills your depth and that's why we have none. Bad FO move!

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I think you're right. Some players do not take losing well, and he's one of them. His behavior is a direct result of losing. There are other players on this team who are just as frustrated, they just don't display it the same way he does. I think Joe will get him to where he controls himself better, and with some work, he'll be more productive next season.

Do you really think he so pissed because we're losing? I think it might have to do with his numbers (20 catches for 295yrds with 0 TDs), like is often seems to with WRs. If he had better numbers but the team was still losing I doubt he'd be as pissed off. I bet he threw his helmet mainly because he thought he was open and could have scored but Campbell didn't see him and threw a pick.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

He's reminding me of Gary Clark. I mean the production isn't there yet, but Clark was always "emotional" and probably made Gibbs age 10 years every day

That's the bottom line. Production. Clark was one tough as nails SOB who produced. You could count on him week in and week out. Sore hamstring or not he was going to be out there. So you put up with his antics as long as he does his thing on Sun. LLoyd? WTF has he done for anyone to tolerate his tantrums?

[memphisskin]

I actually side with the FO on this one, we needed the WR depth and the guy who will probably be cut is David "Shallow Impact" Patten. Our passing game is below subpar, the Falcons played one safety deep most of the game and we still could not generate a consistent passing game.

I think our offense underutilizes Lloyd, which makes him seem overpaid. But its been said in this thread before, you can't catch what isn't thrown your way. Sure, he's dropped a few passes, but so does every wideout. The difference is that we give Lloyd a couple of looks early and then never come back to him. If/when our passing game ever opens up and becomes a "pro" passing attack, Lloyd will be stellar. Right now, its tough for anyone outside of Moss to shine because we just don't do anything well. Outside of going three and out, which we shine at.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

That's the bottom line. Production. Clark was one tough as nails SOB who produced. You could count on him week in and week out. Sore hamstring or not he was going to be out there. So you put up with his antics as long as he does his thing on Sun. LLoyd? WTF has he done for anyone to tolerate his tantrums?

I expected, and still expect, more on the field from Lloyd. But I'm not necessarily expecting him to reach Clark-like status. GC is arguably a Hall of Famer. I think Clark benefitted greatly from playing two years in the USFL, as did a lot of other players

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes he blocks his ass off and shows emotion. I'm not questioning that. HOWEVER, his history does not merit his salary and 3rd/ 4th round draft picks. He was a bad locker room guy in SF and many of the vets did not like him. Did not like his personality. He rubbed people the wrong way. To me he does not seem like a Gibbs type of player. As I said before bring in one guy. ARE ( although he is over paid too) plays teams and wr. ARE can do more things. So with all that being said, he is just not worth what we gave up to get him. Save the two draft picks. Use one on a backup O-line, D-line or corner and then go get a big young wr to groom. Giving up what we did to get LLoyd kills your depth and that's why we have none. Bad FO move!

No you said that he has a bad attitude and its starting to show and that he is bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. Please show us your evidence that this is happening. If you are going to post stuff like facts then show us where you get this information. If thats your opinion with no evidence then let it be known. By starting your statment like "I get the feeling he has a bad attitude".

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

That's the bottom line. Production. Clark was one tough as nails SOB who produced. You could count on him week in and week out. Sore hamstring or not he was going to be out there. So you put up with his antics as long as he does his thing on Sun. LLoyd? WTF has he done for anyone to tolerate his tantrums?

Do you expect him to be happy that he's getting thrown to 4 times a game?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

No you said that he has a bad attitude and its starting to show and that he is bad mouthing everybody in the locker room. Please show us your evidence that this is happening. If you are going to post stuff like facts then show us where you get this information. If thats your opinion with no evidence then let it be known. By starting your statment like "I get the feeling he has a bad attitude".

It was reported on Sports Talk 980 yesterday and today that he is running his mouth in the locker room along with his sideline tantrums. So I guess they have a source and I believe it 100%. Plus Gibbs is having TWO one on on meetings with him within 24 hours about some issues. This is what Gibbs said. Do you think Gibbs is going to meet with the guy twice within 24 hours for throwing his helmet? I think there is more to it than that. Look at his past? He did the same crap in SF and the same things were reported there. It was reported that he was more concerned with his dreadlocks and music career than getting better and concentrating on football. One of their fullbacks ( I can't remember the guys name ) said this about both LLoyd and Barlow. I read the quotes in a football magazine. It's no wonder that both of them are gone and SF seems better without them. This stuff was reported and I believe it. SF could not wait to get rid of the guy.

[Citizens for 81]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

...One of their fullbacks ( I can't remember the guys name ) said this about both LLoyd and Barlow. I read the quotes in a football magazine. It's no wonder that both of them are gone and SF seems better without them. This stuff was reported and I believe it. SF could not wait to get rid of the guy.

If SF was so worried about getting rid of bad character guys, then why did

they sign Antonio Bryant? I think questioning Lloyd's character at this

point is a little premature.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It was reported on Sports Talk 980 yesterday and today that he is running his mouth in the locker room along with his sideline tantrums. So I guess they have a source and I believe it 100%. Plus Gibbs is having TWO one on on meetings with him within 24 hours about some issues. This is what Gibbs said. Do you think Gibbs is going to meet with the guy twice within 24 hours for throwing his helmet? I think there is more to it than that. Look at his past? He did the same crap in SF and the same things were reported there. It was reported that he was more concerned with his dreadlocks and music career than getting better and concentrating on football. One of their fullbacks ( I can't remember the guys name ) said this about both LLoyd and Barlow. I read the quotes in a football magazine. It's no wonder that both of them are gone and SF seems better without them. This stuff was reported and I believe it. SF could not wait to get rid of the guy.

He has done nothing all season to say that he has a bad attitude. If he was mad with the way we ran the last few minutes of the game I think that most of us felt the same way so I give him a buy on that one.

[Cheerful1]

Lloyd was in a pissy mood from the moment he arrived to FedEx Field on Sunday. He parked diagonal (in the players lot), taking up two parking spaces. Granted, he's driven to all of the home games therefore, he KNEW better. When the security officer asked him to move his car, he gave him lip.