Does Brandon Lloyd REALLY deserve all this hate?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

More importantly, does he deserve so many threads dedicated just to him?

Ahhhh, and now we get to the meat of the thing. He doesn't even deserve the amount of thought we are giving him.

[djnemo65]

How bad does someone have to suck before we can all agree he sucks?

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

How bad does someone have to suck before we can all agree he sucks?

This reminds me of an old conundrum: How much wood could a wood chuck chuck, if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

Answer: More than Brandon Lloyd, because the wood chuck, like James Thrash, is a super-smart blue collar guy who fights his guts out--no one ever gave that wood chuck anything. He earned it. The lord blessed us with a pretty great wood chuck, IMO.

[offiss]

It's all Lloyds fault, we know Moss can play and what's happened to him this year? I just can't judge a WR in this offense with Campbell throwing to him, our offense is a joke to blame a reciever just isn't fair. Patten had some pretty nice numbers before he arrived from the Pats and did nothing, sorry to get on Lloyd is unfair, I doubt he would be questioned right now if he had Manning or Brady throwing him the ball.

And if he is that bad, well then blame Gibbs, he's the one who just had to have him.

[Daseal]

I disagree completely with people who thinks Lloyd deserves the hate skins fans give him. I've been hoping and hoping we'd give Brandon Lloyd a real chance to show us something. So far we've seen him get a deep ball once every three games. Yes, his hands aren't glue, but on this team no ones are. Even James Trash let one hit him right in the numbers last week. Santana Moss has been dreadful, and ARE started hot but seems to have cooled.

Lloyd made a really nice move in the pats game to get about 10 yards, then we didn't try to get him the ball again. Has Lloyd made some mistakes? Of course. Does he deserve a chance to be on the field and try to show us something? I think so.

He was late to a meeting, that's probably the worst thing he's done since he came to DC. I'd love to know within a two year stretch, how many of you haven't been late to some sort of an event, even a work event. Sometimes the cards don't fall in your favor and things go wrong. Even athletes can mis-set an alarm clock or get stuck in traffic. It said he came late, didn't skip it. These things happen, and you should be punished for it, but acting like this is enough to ship him out -- please.

To whoever above said it's not the WRs job to block. Ask the Steelers if WRs block. Ask Portis if he'd like to have a nice block downfield by a WR. Blocking is a huge part of the WRs game. Figure a particular WR is targeted on maybe 10-20% of the offensive plays, the rest of the time his job is to keep his man(men) busy and that includes blocking. That's like saying we lose nothing in the game when Portis comes out for Betts in passing situations, it's not a RBs job to block. Idiotic. It takes all 11 players to make a team tick.

I just find it ironic that Brandon Lloyd was a huge character guy in DC when he first got here, all about winning, worked hard, etc, etc. Then he wears a hat that said FUCK to a meeting, then it's all downhill. He all of a sudden never tries, never works. We knew we were getting a WR that doesn't have the best hands in the world with Lloyd. He can make big catches for you if you give him a chance, with very solid YAC. Yet people complain he doesn't go over the middle. He's on a receiving core with Santana Moss and Antwan Randel-El and we're upset that Lloyd doesn't go over the middle?

I just think this guy needs a chance on the field and some looks. If he doesn't pan out, so be it, I'll join the rest of you. I just feel up until this point, he has an incomplete, not an F.

[BigSKINBauer]

YouTube - Brandon Lloyd Sucker Freestyle

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

YouTube - Brandon Lloyd Sucker Freestyle

Not bad. Well if football doesn't work out for him, there's always a career waiting for him in the rap world.

[KLHJ2]

Brandon Lloyd has never been a Pro Bowl caliber receiver. even in his best season in San Fran he only had a little over 700 yards and 5 TD's. So why did we pick him up? Because he had a streak of good games before he hit Free Agency. The coaching staff saw potential in him to be a number 2 receiver to take some pressure off of Moss. He has not lived up to his potential plain and simple. What I think bothers people is that we expected him to do the same thing here. Obviously our expectations were unrealistic. Whether it is the scheme, depression, or his lack of intrest I do not know, but he has not produced.

Who knows, he might be better off playing for somebody else. To keep dogging him week in and week out is not going to make him anymore productive or want to stay here in Washington. Surely, we can find some better topics to discuss. BL is not a factor on gameday, so lets leave it alone.

I understand that we lost draft picks to get they guy and we will not get them back. We also lost draft picks on guys like Sartz and Palmer who didn't even make the practice squad. Are we complaining about that? No, because there is nothing we can do about it. At least BL is still on the team and contributes in some ways (primarily on the scout team offense). Maybe if he does go next season we can recoup something for him, if not there is nothing we can do about it. He hasn't produced in a season and a half. To constantly beat this dead horse is silly.

Bottom line, he wears a uniform and works for our team. Just support him. Deep down everyone wants to see him do well because the skins will be better if he does.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I disagree completely with people who thinks Lloyd deserves the hate skins fans give him. I've been hoping and hoping we'd give Brandon Lloyd a real chance to show us something. So far we've seen him get a deep ball once every three games. Yes, his hands aren't glue, but on this team no ones are. Even James Trash let one hit him right in the numbers last week. Santana Moss has been dreadful, and ARE started hot but seems to have cooled.

Lloyd made a really nice move in the pats game to get about 10 yards, then we didn't try to get him the ball again. Has Lloyd made some mistakes? Of course. Does he deserve a chance to be on the field and try to show us something? I think so.

He was late to a meeting, that's probably the worst thing he's done since he came to DC. I'd love to know within a two year stretch, how many of you haven't been late to some sort of an event, even a work event. Sometimes the cards don't fall in your favor and things go wrong. Even athletes can mis-set an alarm clock or get stuck in traffic. It said he came late, didn't skip it. These things happen, and you should be punished for it, but acting like this is enough to ship him out -- please.

To whoever above said it's not the WRs job to block. Ask the Steelers if WRs block. Ask Portis if he'd like to have a nice block downfield by a WR. Blocking is a huge part of the WRs game. Figure a particular WR is targeted on maybe 10-20% of the offensive plays, the rest of the time his job is to keep his man(men) busy and that includes blocking. That's like saying we lose nothing in the game when Portis comes out for Betts in passing situations, it's not a RBs job to block. Idiotic. It takes all 11 players to make a team tick.

I just find it ironic that Brandon Lloyd was a huge character guy in DC when he first got here, all about winning, worked hard, etc, etc. Then he wears a hat that said FUCK to a meeting, then it's all downhill. He all of a sudden never tries, never works. We knew we were getting a WR that doesn't have the best hands in the world with Lloyd. He can make big catches for you if you give him a chance, with very solid YAC. Yet people complain he doesn't go over the middle. He's on a receiving core with Santana Moss and Antwan Randel-El and we're upset that Lloyd doesn't go over the middle?

I just think this guy needs a chance on the field and some looks. If he doesn't pan out, so be it, I'll join the rest of you. I just feel up until this point, he has an incomplete, not an F.

And to whoever said Lloyd is a good blocker, what are you talking about? He's one of the most ineffective blocking receivers in the league. Are you guys watching the same guy as me?

This reminds me of the Lavar situation, in that people see an athletically gifted man not playing and choose not to really consider the reasons why? Well, in both cases you have people who aren't willing to put the time in to master the schemes, who want to run around out there and do their own thing, who - in spite of apparent athletic gifts - don't give the team a better chance to win. If they did they would be playing.

Dasael, do you really think this is all about a hat?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by offiss

It's all Lloyds fault, we know Moss can play and what's happened to him this year? I just can't judge a WR in this offense with Campbell throwing to him, our offense is a joke to blame a reciever just isn't fair. Patten had some pretty nice numbers before he arrived from the Pats and did nothing, sorry to get on Lloyd is unfair, I doubt he would be questioned right now if he had Manning or Brady throwing him the ball.

And if he is that bad, well then blame Gibbs, he's the one who just had to have him.

I suppose Deion Branch and David Givens not panning out is Gibbs' and Campbell's fault too right? Nothing to do with the hall of fame quarterback they have up there.

If you think Lloyd would last 10 minutes on the Colts or Pats you are out of your mind. If it wasn't for that boondoggle of a signing bonus he would have been cut from this team last year.

[irish]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

How bad does someone have to suck before we can all agree he sucks?

He is wearing burgandy & gold so some on this site will make excuses for him until the cows come home.

[Daseal]

DJ Nemo -- Cooley on EITM said Gibbs was really pissed off about the hat. And didn't you notice it went from great to sour really quick? Im not totally sure if it was about a hat, or what it was. I just think that when the guy has had the ball thrown to him, he's done okay.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I disagree completely with people who thinks Lloyd deserves the hate skins fans give him. I've been hoping and hoping we'd give Brandon Lloyd a real chance to show us something. So far we've seen him get a deep ball once every three games. Yes, his hands aren't glue, but on this team no ones are. Even James Trash let one hit him right in the numbers last week. Santana Moss has been dreadful, and ARE started hot but seems to have cooled.

Lloyd made a really nice move in the pats game to get about 10 yards, then we didn't try to get him the ball again. Has Lloyd made some mistakes? Of course. Does he deserve a chance to be on the field and try to show us something? I think so.

He was late to a meeting, that's probably the worst thing he's done since he came to DC. I'd love to know within a two year stretch, how many of you haven't been late to some sort of an event, even a work event. Sometimes the cards don't fall in your favor and things go wrong. Even athletes can mis-set an alarm clock or get stuck in traffic. It said he came late, didn't skip it. These things happen, and you should be punished for it, but acting like this is enough to ship him out -- please.

To whoever above said it's not the WRs job to block. Ask the Steelers if WRs block. Ask Portis if he'd like to have a nice block downfield by a WR. Blocking is a huge part of the WRs game. Figure a particular WR is targeted on maybe 10-20% of the offensive plays, the rest of the time his job is to keep his man(men) busy and that includes blocking. That's like saying we lose nothing in the game when Portis comes out for Betts in passing situations, it's not a RBs job to block. Idiotic. It takes all 11 players to make a team tick.

I just find it ironic that Brandon Lloyd was a huge character guy in DC when he first got here, all about winning, worked hard, etc, etc. Then he wears a hat that said FUCK to a meeting, then it's all downhill. He all of a sudden never tries, never works. We knew we were getting a WR that doesn't have the best hands in the world with Lloyd. He can make big catches for you if you give him a chance, with very solid YAC. Yet people complain he doesn't go over the middle. He's on a receiving core with Santana Moss and Antwan Randel-El and we're upset that Lloyd doesn't go over the middle?

I just think this guy needs a chance on the field and some looks. If he doesn't pan out, so be it, I'll join the rest of you. I just feel up until this point, he has an incomplete, not an F.

So why doesn't the same standard you apply to Lloyd also apply to Jason McAddley and Mike Espy? Those guys haven't done crap at the NFL level either, ya know. Where's the mutiny for their opportunity?!?!

Oh yeah, that's because people keep defending Lloyd and giving him more opportunities.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I just find it ironic that Brandon Lloyd was a huge character guy in DC when he first got here, all about winning, worked hard, etc, etc. Then he wears a hat that said FUCK to a meeting, then it's all downhill. He all of a sudden never tries, never works.

Daseal,

I have seen you rely on this argument several times before and assert that, somehow, this caused him to go into Gibbs' doghouse and that we on the Warpath turned on him because of it.

With all due respect, I think you are just wrong about it. About the same time he did that, the article (which I can't remember now) came out that everyone in the clubhouse hated the guy, that he had done stuff to piss everybody off and that he just was gonna do his own thing no matter what the coaches said. I never had heard of the hat until you brought it up (several times) but I, and several others, had read and commented on the article.

Yes, he came in talking all the right stuff publicly and got everybody fired up. Including me - I ate that stuff up. Throw in his highlight reel and he looked like the next incarnation of Gary Clark. Unfortunately, it turned out that, although he talked the talk, he didn't walk the walk.

Does he get open? Maybe. However, if you were the QB and he quit on half the routes he ran - would you a) trust he was gonna be where he was supposed to be and risk the pick if he wasn't? b) spend a precious half second looking for him with guys bearing down on you? My answer to both would be no. If I can't count on him to be where he is supposed to be, when he is supposed to be there, then he is a desparation option in my progressions nothing more.

Don't give me the crap about not having a chance. Golston, Alexander, Yoder - these guys had less opportunity than Lloyd and yet, somehow, have made bigger impacts.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I disagree completely with people who thinks Lloyd deserves the hate skins fans give him. I've been hoping and hoping we'd give Brandon Lloyd a real chance to show us something. So far we've seen him get a deep ball once every three games. Yes, his hands aren't glue, but on this team no ones are. Even James Trash let one hit him right in the numbers last week. Santana Moss has been dreadful, and ARE started hot but seems to have cooled.

Lloyd made a really nice move in the pats game to get about 10 yards, then we didn't try to get him the ball again. Has Lloyd made some mistakes? Of course. Does he deserve a chance to be on the field and try to show us something? I think so.

He was late to a meeting, that's probably the worst thing he's done since he came to DC. I'd love to know within a two year stretch, how many of you haven't been late to some sort of an event, even a work event. Sometimes the cards don't fall in your favor and things go wrong. Even athletes can mis-set an alarm clock or get stuck in traffic. It said he came late, didn't skip it. These things happen, and you should be punished for it, but acting like this is enough to ship him out -- please.

To whoever above said it's not the WRs job to block. Ask the Steelers if WRs block. Ask Portis if he'd like to have a nice block downfield by a WR. Blocking is a huge part of the WRs game. Figure a particular WR is targeted on maybe 10-20% of the offensive plays, the rest of the time his job is to keep his man(men) busy and that includes blocking. That's like saying we lose nothing in the game when Portis comes out for Betts in passing situations, it's not a RBs job to block. Idiotic. It takes all 11 players to make a team tick.

I just find it ironic that Brandon Lloyd was a huge character guy in DC when he first got here, all about winning, worked hard, etc, etc. Then he wears a hat that said FUCK to a meeting, then it's all downhill. He all of a sudden never tries, never works. We knew we were getting a WR that doesn't have the best hands in the world with Lloyd. He can make big catches for you if you give him a chance, with very solid YAC. Yet people complain he doesn't go over the middle. He's on a receiving core with Santana Moss and Antwan Randel-El and we're upset that Lloyd doesn't go over the middle?

I just think this guy needs a chance on the field and some looks. If he doesn't pan out, so be it, I'll join the rest of you. I just feel up until this point, he has an incomplete, not an F.

Daseal, I'm a bit surprised you're that supportive of Loyd, as I know from reading your posts that you're well informed.

I can only suggest that you look up JLC's Skins insider & read a post he did on Loyd a few weeks ago. I trust his reporting, of course that's up to you.
He said that Loyd was "dropping f bombs" on wr coach Stan Hixon in his first OTAs, was rude to staff at Redskin Park & basically didn't do anything to show coaches he wants to play.

Add to that his tantrums in games last year, his poor history w/teamates in SF and this recent stuff. I just don't see any way to defend him.

Might make a list of worst trades ever some day.