Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You keep saying Obama hasn't provided support, but you fail to say what support he needs to provide that wasn't there on day one. From the very start the administration was on top of this based on the available information. The only expert minds are the ones that work for BP. The federal government aren't experts on oil wells and dealing with leaks. Apparently neither is BP at this point.

The Associated Press: Obama oil response: aggressive as crisis unfolded

I agree with you that I don't care who gets credit or how it's fixed, but it needed to happen last month as fas I'm concerned.

Seems to me they want a government take-over of the disaster and a BP's private oil field.

[SolidSnake84]

The government has no deep sea expertise, nor do they have any equipment that could be used if the govt were to take over the cleanup. Sorry, but we are BP's bitch now. They can do whatever they want, put off operations however long they want, and there is nothing we can do about it.

[joethiesmanfan]

I saw the underwater cam that traced where the dispersant had been sprayed. It is a dead zone, they found two fish. There is gonna be a very expansive dead zone in the gulf, on the USA side.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

The government has no deep sea expertise, nor do they have any equipment that could be used if the govt were to take over the cleanup. Sorry, but we are BP's bitch now. They can do whatever they want, put off operations however long they want, and there is nothing we can do about it.

You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You make it sound like BP is delaying operations just because they can. That may be, I have no clue, but I would ask, why would they not move heaven and earth to close that spill as fast as possible? Every drop that flows out only costs them more in every considerable way that I can think of.
As for the govt not having the expertise, that might be true, but certainly they could, if necessary, get other oil companies with similar expertise involved.

There is no easy answer to this tragedy. I hope BP/Govt is doing everything possible to stop the flow as quick as possible.

BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.

Well, duh. Why would they not continue to get oil from it? That still doesn't mean they aren't going to stop the leak as quickly as possible.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well, duh. Why would they not continue to get oil from it? That still doesn't mean they aren't going to stop the leak as quickly as possible.

Well it should have been stop the leak bump the oil, until we can evauluate what's going on. The whole mentality has been we'll stop the leak but we are gonna get this oil. These fools had a long ass straw in the well connected to a tanker while all this oil continues to kill the gulf.

[CRedskinsRule]

The relief well (the only way that for sure will stop the flow) was going to take a while no matter what.

Try to look at it this way. If they could have stopped the leak the day it happened, they would not have lost any oil, not paid for nearly as much cleanup, not faced nearly the governmental inquest that is now going to happen, and could have drilled the relief well at whatever pace worked. They still would capture all the oil, because as soon as the flow is capped it's not going anywhere until someone pumps it out.

Any oil that flows out unstopped is lost revenue, if they jam up the tube, they would have saved themselves much money, from oil lost, cleanup expenses, and whatever media/govt/public backlash may come.

I don't think it is quite as easy to plug this up as you seem to think it is.

[CRedskinsRule]

Another way to think about it, and these numbers are simplified, but they are for demonstration.

Lets say for every 1 barrel flowing out the well now, that BP would have gotten $80. So for every 100 barrels they would have gotten $8000.
again for simplicity lets assume 1 barrel escapes per day, this is only to make the numbers clearer.
Example 1- plugged immediately, only 1% lost until relief well is drilled
If they plugged it day one, they would have lost 1 barrel or $80, plus the expense to plug it and drill the relief.

Example 2 - They plugged 1 week later, 7%% lost until relief well is drilled.
they would have lost $560, plus the expense to plug it and drill the relief, + additional cleanup

Example 3 - after 10 days they succeed with a siphon to recoup 90% of spewing oil until relief well is drilled
cost is 10% or $800 + $8per day for the remaining days till relief well is drilled, + cleanup + Relief well cost

Example 4: 3 weeks into it they start siphoning off 30% of leak into tanker.
Cost is 21% or $1680 + $56 per day until relief well is drilled, + cleanup + increased govt oversight + relief well.


Bottom line it is most economically positive for BP to shut down the leak anyway possible. If they had the means to do that, they would. As it is, they are trying to a) minimize their loss and b) minimize the impact by siphoning some off until the relief well can be drilled

[firstdown]

I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I guess its just me as I have never really been very good at standing around watching people as they try to get something done and I usually jump right in. My thinking is the goverment have how many scientist, architects, developers, engineers, etc... so why not pick the best of them and have them down there trying to figure out a way to help stop this leak. The more people we have working on this problem the quicker we will get this thing shut down. Or we can just let BP use their limited amount of people and maybe wait another two months while they drill a new well. I do believe BP is trying their best but having more people working on a solution cannot hurt one thing. Hell they are allready on the pay roll so why not use them.

And I agree with this. I just was saying it doesn't make sense to claim BP would be more interested in siphoning a portion than stopping the whole leak if they were able to. Clearly there must be other scientists/engineers who can be working on this. I tend to believe that both the govt and oil companies have devoted a LOT of capable resources and are trying to develop something to stop the leak, even if we don't hear of every attempt and workgroup out there.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And I agree with this. I just was saying it doesn't make sense to claim BP would be more interested in siphoning a portion than stopping the whole leak if they were able to. Clearly there must be other scientists/engineers who can be working on this. I tend to believe that both the govt and oil companies have devoted a LOT of capable resources and are trying to develop something to stop the leak, even if we don't hear of every attempt and workgroup out there.

Obama is taking some heat for not doing anything and if he had people trying to develop something to stop the leak they would have said so. We do have man power down there to help clean up but thats about it right now.

[CRedskinsRule]

Politicians are going to take heat regardless. To say Obama is not doing anything is as ridiculous as the accusations against Bush. Nowadays one side or the other will bash the white house regardless of the actions taken. I also disagree that they haven't said so:

“We’re in the early stages of doing that, and we do not have a comprehensive understanding as of yet of where that oil is,” Jane Lubchenco, the NOAA administrator, told Congress on Wednesday. “But we are devoting all possible resources to understanding where the oil is and what its impact might be.”

The administration has mounted a huge response to the spill, deploying 1,105 vessels to try to skim oil, burn it and block it from shorelines.

Yes this is a NOAA official, but my point is that all they can say is we are devoting all possible resources, critics will simply say that's not enough and so on and so on.
Do you know for a fact that NASA engineers are not being pulled over to that problem, or that other military deep sea ships aren't being brought over, I doubt it.
You are the opposite side of impatience as JTF. JTF claims BP isn't doing what he wants, but he doesn't have a clue, and likewise, you want to moan about the government's lack of success, and you can't say what they are really doing.
If any person who witnesses and has responsibility toward ending this leak isn't doing everything that can possibly be done, then that truth will come out, but for now, backseat driving just proclaims a frickin' agenda!

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Obama is taking some heat for not doing anything and if he had people trying to develop something to stop the leak they would have said so. We do have man power down there to help clean up but thats about it right now.

Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water. But that's the point was it necessasry to gamble the gul fo Mexico compared to the amount of oil received. The American people lose the gulf, we deserve to because we risked it so that for BP could profit and minimal affect on gas prices? Same trend, private businesses profit if it goes well and the public's suffers if it doesn't go well. Reminds me of the Iraq War mentality.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

BP might be able to stop the leak if they stop trying to siphon oil out of it. Seems to me the only solution they have is the relief well. This will stop the leak and oh yeah by the way be another well they can still get oil from. If they seal it it is only temporary until the relif well is made. Seems to me they are not considering closing the well for good. Any solution they come up with has an oh yeah they are still gonna be trying to get that oil.

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Nothing much you can do at 5000 feet under water....

You guys with frickin agendas or framework mentality crack me up.