2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This says it all, straight from Obama:

Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News

To this I say BS. The gov't doesn't put in 50+ hour (many put in 60-70 hours) workweeks. The gov't didn't give me travel vouchers for my family to be with me when it was necessary to be on the road for work. The gov't doesn't study for you to make strong academic achievement. The gov't doesn't come up with inventive or more productive ideas (sometimes defense R & D has made breakthoughs....but Obama and the Ds are ready to hammer defense spending). The gov't doesn't guarantee investment risks (unless its Solyndra or another Obama bundler). The gov't certainly has never bailed me out of anything. All the while folks who have worked and sacrificed for their own success are mandated to pay an even higher percentage of taxes????


I wish Obama and the Dems would just change their party name to Democratic Socialist Party and be who they really are.

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

You didn't build that.

The President just nailed his re-election coffin shut with that statement.

I can tell neither one of you actually watched the speech, you just took that one quote that Fox News splashed and ran with it. A shame to see how gullible our voters are.

President Obama in Roanoke, VA - C-SPAN Video Library


^^is the speech. While I agree he made a poor choice in words with the "you didn't build it", his point was (you'd know if you listened to it) that you didn't get successful without help. That help comes from many forms and factors well beyond your control.

[NC_Skins]

Jon Stewart destroys conservative hypocrisy on frivolous demands for documents | The Raw Story

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well I can tell you that Romney's taxes are on voters minds and the latter is not. More and more prominent Republicans are calling on Romney to release more taxes each day.

The National Review
George Will
Bill Kristol
Gov. Alabama
Michael Steele
Pete Sessions
Gov. Haley Barbour
Matthew Dowd
Brit Hume
David Frum
Rep Pete Sessions
Sen Chuck Grassley
Sen Dick Lugar
Mike Murphy

No one outside of Donald Trump and Michele Malkin are really interested in the president's college transcripts.

The issue with Romney's taxes and his business dealings were raised by his opponents during the primaries. Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul all raised the issue. This isn't the president's doing.

I dont see a problem with people wanting Romney to release his tax returns, all im saying is its probably better for Romney to not release his returns.

1) Just like knowing how much your girlfriend weighs the tax issue is inconsequential to people who already like Romney. Just like the idiots that wanted Obama to show this and that the people who really want to see Mitt's taxes are moreso the people who arnt voting for him regardless.

2) He saw what happened to Obama in 2008. We all know if you give a mouse a cookie, hes gonna ask for a glass of milk. Releaseing his taxes wont satisfy the mice that are asking for them any more than the mice who realized they wanted a glass of milk after seeing XYZ documentation from Obama.

If it was a year ago, 6 months ago, maybe even 3 months ago i would say show them your returns. At this point in the game i think it serves as just too much of a detraction for him to reveal them. Mitt doesnt file e-file a 1040EZ, his entire return is hundereds maybe even a thousand pages long. And 10 years of returns to nitpick through will just open more questions. Whats this K1, we want to its tax return too. Whats this trust income we want to see its tax return too. And so on.

3) A big problem many people have with Mitt is that hes wishy washy. He's waaayyyy too nice, has no backbone, and never gets mad. At first he was saying "i think" ive released enough in the nice guy Mitt kind of way. Nows hes being a little more adament. If he backtracks from this its just another thing he backtracks from. He needs to hold his ground.

My thoughts are i dont really care if Mitt shows additonal tax returns or not as its inconsequential to his policy. But i dont really care one way or another. My thoughts are more along the lines of if i were in Mitt's billion dollar business man's loafers i wouldnt show my tax returns because its gonna hurt more than its gonna help.

If you were to ask me should Romney release his tax returns for the good of the counrty? My reasoning might be a little different, but if i thought Mitt was better for the country than Obama my answear would be the same. Unfortunitly this is just one of the thigns we get with our current 2 party system. Political jestering in many cases is more important than policy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well I can tell you that Romney's taxes are on voters minds and the latter is not. More and more prominent Republicans are calling on Romney to release more taxes each day.

The National Review
George Will
Bill Kristol
Gov. Alabama
Michael Steele
Pete Sessions
Gov. Haley Barbour
Matthew Dowd
Brit Hume
David Frum
Rep Pete Sessions
Sen Chuck Grassley
Sen Dick Lugar
Mike Murphy

No one outside of Donald Trump and Michele Malkin are really interested in the president's college transcripts.

The issue with Romney's taxes and his business dealings were raised by his opponents during the primaries. Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul all raised the issue. This isn't the president's doing.

That's because the news never made a big deal about them 4 yrs ago and swept anything bad against Obama under the rug. If the news dropped Romney's tax returns people would forget about them by tomorrow. BTW where did you get that list of Rep. calling for his tax returns.

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If he had no qualms about giving 10 years worth of tax returns to McCain for VP consideration, why does he care now? Ever think that was a huge reason McCain didn't choose him? He's flat out said that Palin was a better running mate than Romney. Not sure you can get lower than that.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This post of your only confirms that your a liberal or maybe even a little left of liberal. It was easy to tell just from your post now you confirmed. Look at what she satnds for and you have the liberal agenda.

Jill Stein on the Issues

[Monkeydad]

I'm a little worried. I side with President Obama on WAY too much.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I'm a little worried. I side with President Obama on WAY too much.

Did you answer the other questions. On some of the issues, they have "more questions" that you have to click on to go deeper.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That's because the news never made a big deal about them 4 yrs ago and swept anything bad against Obama under the rug. If the news dropped Romney's tax returns people would forget about them by tomorrow. BTW where did you get that list of Rep. calling for his tax returns.

Exactly what *bad* news did the media sweep under the rug about Obama? I can't wait to hear this one.

I guarantee you know more about Barack Obama than you do Mitt Romney.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That's because the news never made a big deal about them 4 yrs ago and swept anything bad against Obama under the rug. If the news dropped Romney's tax returns people would forget about them by tomorrow. BTW where did you get that list of Rep. calling for his tax returns.

Dude, it's the news calling for his returns, his own party is calling for them. I follow all of those people either on twitter or some other medium and they've called for Romney to release his tax returns.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Did you answer the other questions. On some of the issues, they have "more questions" that you have to click on to go deeper.

Yes, I did that.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Dude, it's the news calling for his returns, his own party is calling for them. I follow all of those people either on twitter or some other medium and they've called for Romney to release his tax returns.

I heard Nancy Pelosi say on Friday that the tax returns are no longer an issue and should be considered a petty distraction.




Why the huge change of opinion? Someone asked to see hers.


I wish he'd release them. We'd see how he gives about a third of his money to charity so we could contrast with the $600 total that Joe Biden gave...probably similar from the President and Speaker of the House.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I heard Nancy Pelosi say on Friday that the tax returns are no longer an issue and should be considered a petty distraction.




Why the huge change of opinion? Someone asked to see hers.


I wish he'd release them. We'd see how he gives about a third of his money to charity so we could contrast with the $600 total that Joe Biden gave...probably similar from the President and Speaker of the House.

No she didn't say that. What she said was asking for hers during her presser was a petty distraction from pressing Romney to release his.

She went on to say if she runs for president (which of course she won't), she'd be happy to oblige by releasing her tax returns.

[Monkeydad]

You don't see the hypocrisy in her statement?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Dude, it's the news calling for his returns, his own party is calling for them. I follow all of those people either on twitter or some other medium and they've called for Romney to release his tax returns.

Yes the liberal news is calling for them Iand I have not heard any Replublicans call for his tax returns (not saying they have not). Only saw your list. I'm not fan of Romney but Obama is worse.