Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

[mooby]

I just wanted to know what skins fans thoughts on our qb situation is. i think ramsey's performance vs. the bears disappointed a lot of fans, while brunell did fairly good. we've been hearing talk about this for quite a while, but i believe we should have faith in ramsey, and let him keep the starting job. brunell is good, but we have to be fair to ramsey. also, what do you think about the refs not calling a penalty when briggs clotheslined ramsey. i think that should've been an unneccessary roughness penalty, or something because that wasn't a legal hit.

[Paintrain]

Give Ramsey another start.. I think we saw more of the same from Brunell.. Dink and dunk, 8 completions for 70 yds? The one deep ball he threw floated up there and if it weren't for the penalty it was picked.. Let's see what we have in Ramsey and then go to Brunell if neccessary..

Gibbs isn't doing Ramsey any favors though by waffling.. All he needed to say, if he supports Ramsey, is 'Patrick is our starter if he's healthy.'

[MTK]

Just saw the replay again on ESPN of the shot on Ramsey, holy crap why wasn't that a penalty?? He hit him very high and practically ripped his head off. Should have been an easy call.

The league had better bring down a fine.

And oh yeah, nice highlight package from ESPN, they didn't show the big run by Portis or the big catch by Moss. Thanks ESPN.

[MTK]

As for the QB debate, Ramsey didn't do anything to lose the job. If he's ready and able he should continue to be the starter.

[mooby]

i'm sure our highlight package consisted of the pick thrown by ramsey, the pick thrown by brunell, that was called back, whatever or whoever fumbled the ball, and that's it. i think this will open some eyes around the league about how much our d can dominate.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As for the QB debate, Ramsey didn't do anything to lose the job. If he's ready and able he should continue to be the starter.

My sentiments exactly. I try not to use hyperbole to support my opinions and analysis. I'm not going to say Ramsey was awful or great. Nor will I say that Brunell was awful or great. As I see it, Ramsey is an inconsistent but talented young quarterback while Brunell is consistent and smart, but probably will not give us an explosive, or high-scoring, offense.

Simply due to their respective ages, I prefer to see Ramsey under center. However, if Ramsey suffered an injury that warrants a cautious approach, I wouldn't be livid if Gibbs put Brunell in.

[BleedBurgundy]

There is NO way our offense has the same spark when Brunell is in there, compared to Ramsey. Brunell is a good backup, he was CAPABLE today. Ramsey had some great zip on the ball. After his initial mistake, the int, he was pretty damn good. When a qb is amped up, he tends to put the ball high. That happened to PR today and he got picked. In my mind, PR should have went back into that ball game as soon as he was cleared.

[wolfeskins]

gotta give ramsey the start next week. ramsey looked pretty good after his int. wasn't it ramsey who threw the td to cooley that was called back. ramsey also showed some maturity by tucking the ball down and running for a yard or two instead of trying to force a throw in the red zone

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

There is NO way our offense has the same spark when Brunell is in there, compared to Ramsey. Brunell is a good backup, he was CAPABLE today. Ramsey had some great zip on the ball. After his initial mistake, the int, he was pretty damn good. When a qb is amped up, he tends to put the ball high. That happened to PR today and he got picked. In my mind, PR should have went back into that ball game as soon as he was cleared.

I'm just going to play a little devil's advocate. While Brunell doesn't give our offense a spark, he also doesn't usually make a lot of bad decisions. Ramsey gives us a spark and then will quash it with a bad throw. Ultimately I think Ramsey should start, but the answer to the QB debate isn't totally clear-cut.

[LadyT]

I was very disappointed in Gibbs' comment when asked if Ramsey would start next week. It should have been a definite "yes, if he's healthy". Instead, Gibbs waffled and it sent a very bad message to Ramsey and to the team. This coaching staff needs to stand by the QB or else Gibbs' word means nothing. I think Gibbs is looking for any opportunity at all to bench Ramsey in favor of his "boy" Brunell and Ramsey and the rest of the team know it.

Gibbs is not doing anyone any favors by his "damning with faint praise" approach to Ramsey.

Very, very disappointed in Gibbs and how he has handled the whole situation with Ramsey.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

As I've said in other threads, there isn't a clear-cut answer to the Ramsey-Brunell debate. However, I would like to see Gibbs give the same support for Ramsey that he gave Brunell last year. It does make me wonder a bit when Gibbs seems ready to yank Ramsey and plug in Brunell at the first opportunity.

[wolfeskins]

gibbs just does not like ramsey, i think that is obvious

[LadyT]

Ramseyfan, you're right when you said Ramsey is owed the same amount of confidence that Gibbs gave to Brunell last year. He kept Brunell in at least 3 games too many, as we slowly watched our season slide away with Brunell's less than average play at quarterback.

It amazes me how Gibbs is letting Ramsey just "dangle in the wind". To his credit, Ramsey is a class act and has not publicly said anything about how he has been treated this year.

I've always thought the world of Joe Gibbs, but his shameful treatment of Ramsey has me rethinking my opinion of him. It's because of Gibbs that we already have a QB controversy and we've only played one game!!!!!

[gusbus]

Ramesy was what 6-11 for 105 yrds in 1 1/2 qtrs. Brunnell was 8-14 for 70ish on 2 1/2 qtrs. What are we debating this for? PR had 1 pick early on then settled down and moved the team pretty well. I think Gibbs is looking for any reason to bench Patrick. PR should have come in at the start of the second half, he was cleared to play. Brunnel looked good in the preseaon but he played 2nd half when the scrubs played. I think we need to remember that this is what PR's 17th career start and a lot of those he got shelled when Spurrier was here. Gibbs needs to declare PR his QB or let him get out b/c he is going to be a good QB in the NFL if he is given the chance and not looking over his shoulder. This is not a Super Bpwl team this year so let PR get his snaps and build some confidence and rapport with the team. And let Brunnel (Scott?) be a quality backup if Ramsey is injured.
I would like to now why Gibbs has so much loyalty to Brunnel and none to Ramsey. Both are devoted Christians. It must be the AARP membership club thing.

[skinsguy]

I think the ones making this a QB controversy are some of the fans and the media.