All things offseason discussion part II

[Ruhskins]

Cowpukes releasing Kyle Orton per Schefter.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Let somebody else do it. Good teams don't overpay for "good" talent. They pay for elite talent and let everybody else walk.

The Redskins have a habit of letting good talent walk because they're not 'elite'. That's how you end up with guys like Reed Doughty, Josh Wilson, and Rob Jackson as starters.

There's no point in letting well above average, home grown talent walk when you have nothing better(at this point in time) to replace it. Is saving some money really worth downgrading an already terrible defense?

[MTK]

And then what do we do with Kerrigan? Let him walk because he's not "elite"?

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Cowpukes releasing Kyle Orton per Schefter.

Well, they're still in good shape in the backup QB department with Weeden on board.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

The Redskins have a habit of letting good talent walk because they're not 'elite'. That's how you end up with guys like Reed Doughty, Josh Wilson, and Rob Jackson as starters.

There's no point in letting well above average, home grown talent walk when you have nothing better(at this point in time) to replace it. Is saving some money really worth downgrading an already terrible defense?

Give me a break. The reason why we have Wilson, Doughtery and Jackson as starters isn't because we let good players walk, but because we never developed through the draft and pissed away draft picks for somebody else. This team was absolute garbage in terms of talent when Shanny hit the scene and in some ways still is (on defense side)


Most of the "good" players that that we let walk aren't guys who were asking for a boat load of money or to be paid as an elite player. Orakpo is. That's the difference here. We could have had Clark and Pierce for decent deals, but our moronic staff wanted for "flash in the pan." See, those are contracts I have problem dealing out.

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And then what do we do with Kerrigan? Let him walk because he's not "elite"?

It's not a matter of letting him walk if he isn't elite. It's a matter of letting him walk if he wants too much money. If he's seeking to be paid as an elite player, you go a different direction. You pay good players good salaries, and elite players elite salaries. Nobody is saying not to pay these guys, it's all about not over paying them either.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Well, they're still in good shape in the backup QB department with Weeden on board.

Just putting out a question to all , do you think Jerry Jones would trade with Cleveland for Johnny Manzel ?

[Paintrain]

If you beleive that QB win games, we've already got 5 wins locked up according to Jaws rankings..

“@ESPNNFL: Jaws QB Countdown ranking thus far.
32 M Cassel*
31 R Fitzpatrick*
30 G Smith
29 J Locker*
28 EJ Manuel
27 C Henne*
26 B Hoyer
25 J McCown*”

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Give me a break. The reason why we have Wilson, Doughtery and Jackson as starters isn't because we let good players walk, but because we never developed through the draft and pissed away draft picks for somebody else. This team was absolute garbage in terms of talent when Shanny hit the scene and in some ways still is (on defense side)





Most of the "good" players that that we let walk aren't guys who were asking for a boat load of money or to be paid as an elite player. Orakpo is. That's the difference here. We could have had Clark and Pierce for decent deals, but our moronic staff wanted for "flash in the pan." See, those are contracts I have problem dealing out.









It's not a matter of letting him walk if he isn't elite. It's a matter of letting him walk if he wants too much money. If he's seeking to be paid as an elite player, you go a different direction. You pay good players good salaries, and elite players elite salaries. Nobody is saying not to pay these guys, it's all about not over paying them either.

Would tend to agree with this....

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If you beleive that QB win games, we've already got 5 wins locked up according to Jaws rankings..

“@ESPNNFL: Jaws QB Countdown ranking thus far.
32 M Cassel*
31 R Fitzpatrick*
30 G Smith
29 J Locker*
28 EJ Manuel
27 C Henne*
26 B Hoyer
25 J McCown*”

Not sure what Jaws is thinking. McCown was one the best QB's the the league last year. And we lost to Cassel last year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not a matter of letting him walk if he isn't elite. It's a matter of letting him walk if he wants too much money. If he's seeking to be paid as an elite player, you go a different direction. You pay good players good salaries, and elite players elite salaries. Nobody is saying not to pay these guys, it's all about not over paying them either.

You pay what the market dictates. Like it or not Rak is going to be worthy of a pretty significant deal. The team was willing to at least eat his franchise number of over $11M this year, that's saying something.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Just putting out a question to all , do you think Jerry Jones would trade with Cleveland for Johnny Manzel ?

He could have had him for a draft pick if he wanted him bad enough.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If Rak gets the same number of rush opportunities that other top pass rushers get, no reason he can't put up some big numbers.

I think we've seen a large enough of a sample size to know that Rak isn't Aldon Smith or Robert Quinn. Maybe the new OLB coach helps him develop more pass rush moves.

[Chico23231]

Make or break year for Rak. Gotta say I think we made the right move with the franchise tag.

We certainly didn't have many other options.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think we've seen a large enough of a sample size to know that Rak isn't Aldon Smith or Robert Quinn. Maybe the new OLB coach helps him develop more pass rush moves.

I don't think it's about moves as it is opportunities. It's been well documented he doesn't rush as often as the other big sack number guys in the league.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think it's about moves as it is opportunities. It's been well documented he doesn't rush as often as the other big sack number guys in the league.

...but when your new head coach pretty much says he wants to see more from you as a player. That statement said everything to me in my opinion. He believes the guy is too talented to be performing at the level he is when he could do so much more. Didn't Smoot say something along the line that Rakpo doesn't think he needs to work on his game? (or something to that effect)