Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast?

Luxorreb · 09-20-2005, 03:08 AM

Tonight Williams seemed to get away with EVERY marginal call from horse collar to roughing the QB and was burned twice for 2 HUGE HUGE plays!!! Karma is back.
Jesus loves Gibbs.
I prayed before the 4th. Don't usually pray but I'm gonna start...
Probably don't deserve this win, but I'll take it over Dallas and over Parcells. Congrats to Joe Gibbs the man I trust with the Redskins.

SUNRA · 09-20-2005, 03:10 AM

Toast is Newman. Roy Williams looked like Roy Jones after he was knocked out the second time around.

STPainmaker · 09-20-2005, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Toast is Newman. Roy Williams looked like Roy Jones after he was knocked out the second time around.

Williams and Glenn got roasted absolutely like burnt toast.

JWsleep · 09-20-2005, 04:24 AM

I completely agree. The horsecollar rule is a total farce if Williams himslef can still drag people down like that. Whatever. He got his in the end! After all the gushing praise from John and Al it was great to see him get completely smoked by Santana. All is right with the world.

offiss · 09-20-2005, 04:40 AM

I believe the horse collar rule is only enforced when the individual grabs the collar and then basically drops his weight to the back of the players legs and buckles him backwards pulling him down, I believe you can still grab a player by the collar, you may even pull him down, but you can't jack your body weight on him as you pull him backwards.

That Guy · 09-20-2005, 11:37 AM

the horse collar is when you grab the collar FIRST... if you put a hand on the guys shoulder, you're allowed to horse collar afterwards, it just can't be the initial contact (from what i've heard).

memphisskin · 09-20-2005, 11:40 AM

Its the shoulder pads u can't grab, the jersey is clean. RW just yanked Brunell by the jersey, rough play but legal. He might want to back up a few steps though, I hear that Moss boy is fast.

:headbange

ArtMonkDrillz · 09-20-2005, 11:50 AM

The horsecollar tackles are one thing, but what about the fact that 90% of the time Roy lowers his fat head when he tackles. If Roy soon retires with brain damage I can't say I will feel sorry for him. There were multiple times when their whole team lowered their heads on tackles and they were only flagged once.

When Taylor puts a hit on someone he uses his shoulder pads and his ridiculous guns, if his head gets in the way it's only cause he is too blinded by rage...

Big C · 09-20-2005, 11:53 AM

everytime he tackled pretty much he was grabbin in that area, i saw him do it to portis and brunell

cpayne5 · 09-20-2005, 11:54 AM

Madden also said that the QB can be horsecollared, which makes no sense (which he also stated).

MTK · 09-20-2005, 11:56 AM

I really thought the way he dragged Brunell and spun him around should have been roughing the QB.

backrow · 09-20-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really thought the way he dragged Brunell and spun him around should have been roughing the QB.

Their house, their rules.

That's ok, because we got a W!

RedskinRat · 09-20-2005, 01:26 PM

There's no consistency on calls, we always get the shitty end of the stick. I had people watching the Giants game saying "You're kidding, they ain't calling that?" on a couple of plays.

I swear that was a pick on Crayton at the end of the game but they said he didn't have possession. The tackle on Brunell wasn't a horse collar, but close.

We just have to take it out of the Zebra's hands is all.

firstdown · 09-20-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really thought the way he dragged Brunell and spun him around should have been roughing the QB.

No I'd say he just pulled him down and I'd rather see that than an all out hit on our QB. I don't think that horse collar rule will make it next year. Its just human to grab that area when you are chasing someone from behind and the way they design the jersey's now days its about the only thing to grab.

MTK · 09-20-2005, 05:12 PM

My point is they've called roughing for a lot less.

Early in the Giants game last night Strahan was chasing Brooks and just gave him a light push from behind, not even a push more like a tap, Brooks went down and they called roughing. It was a pretty lame call.

09-20-2005, 03:08 AM	#1
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? Tonight Williams seemed to get away with EVERY marginal call from horse collar to roughing the QB and was burned twice for 2 HUGE HUGE plays!!! Karma is back. Jesus loves Gibbs. I prayed before the 4th. Don't usually pray but I'm gonna start... Probably don't deserve this win, but I'll take it over Dallas and over Parcells. Congrats to Joe Gibbs the man I trust with the Redskins. __________________ ^21^

09-20-2005, 03:10 AM	#2
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? Toast is Newman. Roy Williams looked like Roy Jones after he was knocked out the second time around. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

09-20-2005, 04:24 AM	#4
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? I completely agree. The horsecollar rule is a total farce if Williams himslef can still drag people down like that. Whatever. He got his in the end! After all the gushing praise from John and Al it was great to see him get completely smoked by Santana. All is right with the world. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-20-2005, 04:40 AM	#5
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? I believe the horse collar rule is only enforced when the individual grabs the collar and then basically drops his weight to the back of the players legs and buckles him backwards pulling him down, I believe you can still grab a player by the collar, you may even pull him down, but you can't jack your body weight on him as you pull him backwards.

09-20-2005, 11:37 AM	#6
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? the horse collar is when you grab the collar FIRST... if you put a hand on the guys shoulder, you're allowed to horse collar afterwards, it just can't be the initial contact (from what i've heard).

09-20-2005, 11:40 AM	#7
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? Its the shoulder pads u can't grab, the jersey is clean. RW just yanked Brunell by the jersey, rough play but legal. He might want to back up a few steps though, I hear that Moss boy is fast. :headbange

09-20-2005, 11:50 AM	#8
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? The horsecollar tackles are one thing, but what about the fact that 90% of the time Roy lowers his fat head when he tackles. If Roy soon retires with brain damage I can't say I will feel sorry for him. There were multiple times when their whole team lowered their heads on tackles and they were only flagged once. When Taylor puts a hit on someone he uses his shoulder pads and his ridiculous guns, if his head gets in the way it's only cause he is too blinded by rage... __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

09-20-2005, 11:53 AM	#9
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? everytime he tackled pretty much he was grabbin in that area, i saw him do it to portis and brunell __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

09-20-2005, 11:54 AM	#10
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? Madden also said that the QB can be horsecollared, which makes no sense (which he also stated). __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

09-20-2005, 11:56 AM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? I really thought the way he dragged Brunell and spun him around should have been roughing the QB. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-20-2005, 01:26 PM	#13
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? There's no consistency on calls, we always get the shitty end of the stick. I had people watching the Giants game saying "You're kidding, they ain't calling that?" on a couple of plays. I swear that was a pick on Crayton at the end of the game but they said he didn't have possession. The tackle on Brunell wasn't a horse collar, but close. We just have to take it out of the Zebra's hands is all.

09-20-2005, 05:12 PM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Roy Williams illegal or burnt toast? My point is they've called roughing for a lot less. Early in the Giants game last night Strahan was chasing Brooks and just gave him a light push from behind, not even a push more like a tap, Brooks went down and they called roughing. It was a pretty lame call. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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